On 3rd of july, Thursday, we were talking on #tikiwiki irc channel (server irc.freenode.net) and we didn’t find any reason why we shouldn’t migrate demo server and setup the tikiwiki official website, using tikiwiki. So, we can eat our own dogfood now.
That irc log retrace the operation of migration, as it was coordinated from irc beetween marclaporte, albrown, mose and others. Some parts of the session are stripped (chit-chat and jokes), as it’s a 6 hours run, you can read the integral log on http://feu.org/tiki-irc_logs.php.
14:56 : albrown morning all
15:47 : marclaporte_ hi!
15:52 : mose yo
15:56 : albrown marc: with Damien’s withdrawl from the project I’m assuming that the offer to host the demo is gone.
15:57 : mose any news from tikiwiki.org btw ?
15:58 : albrown none, how about I buy a domain name and you can host the site. ;-))
15:59 : marclaporte_ I’d rather have tikiwiki.org somewhere where the dev is pretty active
15:59 : marclaporte_ So we move to plan B
15:59 : albrown I have a feeling that getting that using that domain name gets farther away all the time
15:59 : marclaporte_ haha
15:59 : marclaporte_ the main thing is the speed
16:00 : albrown you be it is we got about 850 unique visitors yesterday
16:00 : albrown about 4500-5000 page views on just the demo
16:00 : marclaporte_ We need Mr Polidor to redirect DNS, that’s fast an easy
16:01 : albrown yes, if ...
16:01 : albrown If we can’t get something going soon my offer to buy a domain still stands
16:03 : albrown even if we get the domain name who else has offered to host?
16:03 : mose tex and me
16:04 : albrown Very Good!!
16:04 : mose the european commando
16:04 : mose
16:04 : marclaporte_ Mose + Tex
16:04 : marclaporte_ maybe others, I’d have to check
16:04 : marclaporte_ I must say that Mose’s multi site thingy is most interesting
16:04 : mose I install 2 sites per week
16:05 : mose too easy
16:05 : albrown I can always point alt.thetinfoilhat.com to your server if you want to do that
16:05 : marclaporte_ we definately want to conserve those links
16:06 : albrown I think that you are right, sf is not going to help us with that
16:06 : albrown I have direct control of my domains and can change them whenever I need so moving alt and test .thetinfoilhat.com is not a problem
16:07 : marclaporte_ Can you guys think of any reason why we shouldn’t move the demo site today to Mose’s server?
16:07 : mose thinks
16:08 : albrown yes, I’m a bit busy, I could give mose access to phpmyadmin on the server though
16:08 : marclaporte_ Are you too busy to flip the DNSs?
16:10 : mose propagation on names servers worldwide will take up to 48h
16:11 : mose the address is 188.8.131.52
16:12 : albrown got it.
16:20 : mose hmm the demo site is 1.6.1 I can put it on a virtual 1.7
16:20 : mose have to setup a separate tree
16:20 : mose won’t be long
16:20 : albrown I’d say that we are in transition go for it
16:21 : mose the csv evrsion will be fine anyway
16:21 : albrown Marc, can you send a note to the list and make a page entry that the site is being moved and that any changes made after now will most likely be lost
16:28 : Joined PYRoToP (~Aria@d150-52-32.home.cgocable.net)
16:59 : marclaporte_ al: I’ll let list know and change demo page
16:59 : albrown coolness
17:05 : marclaporte_ Mose: can you make the switch without any down time?
17:06 : mose there will be no downtime
17:06 : marclaporte_ with dns magic
17:06 : mose if I get the db
17:07 : marclaporte_ So I don’t need to modify the demo site?
17:07 : albrown concurr, untill dns changes they will see existing location, after change they will see the new location
17:07 : mose it’s not a downtime, but a db change
17:07 : marclaporte_ You can point your dns to the old site until the propagation is over?
17:07 : mose that means that changes made after I egt the db will not be reported on new one
17:08 : marclaporte_ So maybe we should freeze the demo site?
17:08 : mose yes maybe a freeze announce is not bad
17:08 : mose or anyway
17:08 : mose it’s a demo site
17:09 : albrown It’s frozen now as mose has already started harvesting db
17:09 : marclaporte_ ok
17:15 : albrown when you can get in marc go ahead and edit the demo homepage it will be in the dump then
17:27 : albrown I see 21 users all over the site
17:28 : marclaporte_ I am preparing a “marketing campaign”
17:28 : albrown good reason to move it
17:28 : marclaporte_ big by open source standards ;-)
17:28 : marclaporte_ but Al: you are still editor in chief of the demo site
17:28 : albrown I turned off the bottom bar, and there have been many less complaints about how long it takes to load
17:29 : marclaporte_ Mose will relieve you from technical duties
17:29 : albrown good by me
17:29 : Joined ohertel (~aogamer@p50891AF3.dip.t-dialin.net)
17:30 : ohertel Hey!
17:30 : albrown howdy
17:30 : albrown sets mode +o ohertel
17:30 : marclaporte_ Hi Pyro!
17:30 : PYRoToP hey marc! heh how are things?
17:32 : albrown marc - mose: I’ll delay putting in the dns change till mose has the database that could mean that the change won’t happen till monday as tomorrow is a holiday and most folks here are off
17:33 : marclaporte_ mose: Do I ask Mr Polidor to point tikiwiki.org to 184.108.40.206?
17:34 : Joined teedog (~firstname.lastname@example.org)
17:34 : albrown ok, I’ll put it in now and we’ll back fill the db when mose gets it?
17:34 : teedog morning, afternoon, evening all
17:35 : albrown howdy teedog
17:35 : mose heya teedog
17:42 : mose fixed mod-calendar bug on cvs
17:42 : marclaporte_ mose: the demo site will continue to be in 1.6.1?
17:42 : mose sure
17:42 : albrown we chat mose fixes ;-) life is good
17:42 : mose unless you wish it’s cvs
17:42 : ohertel mose which calender, aren’t there 3 right now? ;)
17:43 : ohertel the mini one, the epheremides and the new one.
17:43 : mose I’m the master of calendars ;)
17:43 : mose the mini-one and eph was bugged
17:43 : ohertel Then throw 2 of those away and add their features to the third one.
17:43 : mose because modification fro wang that fixed time
17:44 : mose one unique solution is a bad way
17:44 : mose diversity is good in software ecosystem ;)
17:44 : teedog question: are we in feature freeze yet?
17:44 : teedog for 1.7 i mean
17:44 : mose not yet
17:44 : mose saturday
17:44 : mose afaik
17:45 : teedog i see
17:45 : mose mabye at the end only one calendar will survive
17:46 : mose but the last one is rather complicated I think, for some users
17:47 : mose albrown: so what about that db ? can yuo dump it locally ? I tried to dump by chunks it refuses to cooperate
17:51 : marclaporte_ I’ll be back in a few hours
17:52 : albrown alt.thetinfoilhat.com 220.127.116.11
17:53 : albrown mose is there a name record?
17:53 : albrown ro the server
17:53 : mose ns0.neurd.net
17:54 : albrown change is in here
17:56 : mose hehe it works already
17:56 : mose but there is no db
17:59 : mose I put a fresh db in the while ?
18:03 : albrown I think so
18:03 : mose done
18:03 : albrown what else can we do
18:05 : mose I put a message on homepage
18:05 : mose Page generated in: 0.29514801502228 seconds
18:05 : mose
18:06 : albrown good deal, I still see old site at this location
18:06 : albrown ;-))
18:06 : mose but the db is empty
18:06 : mose easy to be fast with an empty bag on the back
18:08 : mose 4 users already
18:27 : awwaiid hi
18:37 : albrown mose I’ve gotten part down as dumps how can I best send you zip files?
18:42 : mose put on a http url
18:42 : mose so I wget it
18:42 : mose forget the dcc send
18:42 : albrown ok
18:44 : mose 5 people on demo for now
19:01 : albrown gone to lunch back soon
19:53 : albrown I give up on parts pieces mose, too many tables too large. Whole dump this evening
20:16 : albrown I think that lin caching needs a good lookin into. It appears to be making a new copy of a cached page on each open of the page
20:16 : albrown not a very good cache
20:16 : ohertel uh oh. ;)
20:16 : mose not very clever
20:16 : ohertel no cache at all. ;)
20:16 : albrown you will see only the latest
20:17 : albrown no lots of worthless cache\
20:17 : ohertel Maybe switching the cache off is faster because you don’t have the long db search then? ;)
20:17 : albrown what am I complaining about that’s what I’ve always wanted lots of wothless cash. )
20:18 : albrown maybe
20:18 : albrown I think that the thing would be the copy of the cached page each time, page latency at the other site
20:22 : mose do you talk about cache for external urls ?
20:23 : albrown yep
20:23 : mose oh excellent news
20:23 : mose if it don’t trash cached
20:23 : mose it has an historical value
20:23 : mose for reference in temporal context
20:24 : mose we just need an interface to display the old ones
20:24 : albrown Happy! Happy! Joy! Joy! sort of a webified time machine?
20:24 : mose exactly
20:24 : mose when you talk about something, you give an url
20:25 : albrown Maybe at least it shouldn’t save them unless the page has been updated?
20:25 : mose it should be conserved for future reference, even if site changes
20:25 : albrown maybe not if it hasn’t
20:25 : mose yes there is probably a need for work on that part of things
20:25 : mose to make it as clever as it deserves
20:26 : albrown I like the caching but 106 copies of the same page on SF where a bug was posted is not happy making
20:26 : albrown all identical
20:26 : mose
20:27 : ohertel Hm, what do I do with my folder icons... remove the animation of them before release?
20:27 : albrown I guess that one should never be forgotten. )
20:27 : marclaporte_ signoff: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
20:47 : mose woaow 17 users on the new demo site
20:47 : ohertel hehe
20:47 : tom_ eh eh
20:47 : zaufi_ btw there is demo site ?:)
20:48 : zaufi_ I’ll be 18th
20:48 : mose yes, the alt from al
20:48 : zaufi_ where is it?
20:48 : mose but we migrated it because a big traffic
20:48 : mose http://alt.thetinfoilhat.com
20:48 : mose it’s migrating in dns right now
20:48 : mose you may have the old one
20:49 : ohertel what’s a tinfoilhat, btw?
20:49 : mose and
20:49 : mose luis had news from mr polidor
20:49 : mose and tikiwiki.org is activiated right now
20:50 : mose al ? can you explain ?
20:50 : mose the tinfoil hat thing ?
20:50 : albrown nope, just read the email
20:50 : albrown I suspect that he’s pointed it to you that’s what i read
20:51 : mose yes my question was about your domain name actually ;)
20:51 : albrown what about it
20:51 : mose what is a tinfoil hat ?
20:51 : albrown my domain
20:51 : ohertel yeah, but what does that mean?
20:51 : mose what is that object, for non-english people it’s not obvious
20:52 : albrown just something that I came up with when I was looking for a domain
20:52 : mose pure random choice ?
20:52 : albrown nope, tin foil hats are for people that are afraid that people are reading their thoughts
20:52 : ohertel Ah.
20:53 : ohertel Are you afraid of that? hehe
20:53 : albrown normally tied up with conspiracy theories about the government.
20:53 : mose ahhhh
20:53 : albrown nope but I do worry a bit about bush
20:53 : mose yes tinfoil hat
20:53 : ohertel that bush person is too dumb to have any conspiracies running...
20:53 : mose I remember a movie where they use tinfoil hats
20:54 : albrown sid you see the movie signs?
20:54 : mose very kewl object
20:54 : zaufi_ BTW tikiwiki.org have the only login: admin with default (well-known) password )
20:54 : albrown yes he is dumb but he has the money to push around a lot of very smart people.
20:55 : mose changed pass
20:55 : albrown I personally think that George Sr was more honest
20:57 : marclaporte__ hi all
20:57 : ohertel rehi marc.
20:57 : albrown howdy
20:57 : mose hey marc
20:58 : mose I’m setting up www.tikiwiki.org
20:58 : zaufi_ hi
21:00 : mose comon everybody open your account on http://www.tikiwiki.org
21:00 : ohertel hehe
21:01 : ohertel there is no register button...
21:01 : mose now tehre is
21:01 : mose Me is still setting up
21:01 : ohertel *reload* ;)
21:01 : ohertel Ah!
21:01 : mose activates all the features
21:02 : ohertel beh. ;) Page generated in: 3.79 seconds
21:02 : marclaporte__ tikiwiki.org works for me
21:03 : marclaporte__ but alt. still points to old server
21:03 : mose what theme do you want ?
21:03 : ohertel olive... oh, it’s not in there in 1.6.1... damn. ;)
21:04 : ohertel Ah, it’s 1.7!
21:04 : albrown Warning: Data is not in a recognized format. in /home/mose/var/tikicvs/tiki-pick_avatar.php on line 46
21:04 : albrown Warning: Supplied argument is not a valid Image resource in /home/mose/var/tikicvs/tiki-pick_avatar.php on line 47
21:04 : albrown Warning: Supplied argument is not a valid Image resource in /home/mose/var/tikicvs/tiki-pick_avatar.php on line 48
21:04 : albrown Warning: Division by zero in /home/mose/var/tikicvs/tiki-pick_avatar.php on line 53
21:04 : albrown Warning: Division by zero in /home/mose/var/tikicvs/tiki-pick_avatar.php on line 54
21:04 : albrown Warning: Supplied argument is not a valid Image resource in /home/mose/var/tikicvs/tiki-pick_avatar.php on line 57
21:04 : mose I installed cvs version
21:04 : marclaporte__ will tikiwiki.org be different than alt.thetinfoilhat?
21:05 : mose I put you in developers group (editors rights level)
21:05 : ohertel There is a .t+est.css in styles folder...
21:05 : mose no idea
21:05 : mose oh yes I remove it
21:05 : zaufi_ oops!!! after registering on tikiwiki.org my konqueror show me only blank (empty) pages... (w/o any content)!! )
21:05 : marclaporte__ why open new account on tikiwiki.org?
21:06 : mose hmm you are right we can get those from feu.org or from alt.
21:07 : marclaporte__ In general, I would prefer using categories to make subsites
21:07 : marclaporte__ ex.: developper section
21:07 : marclaporte__ documentation section, etc
21:08 : ohertel maybe add some more modules then.
21:08 : mose where can we make tikiwiki.org go then ?
21:08 : mose what’s your idea marc ?
21:09 : mose hmm only www.tikiwiki.org come to me, anyway
21:10 : ohertel I still don’t understand how to use that workflow thingy...
21:10 : mose you have to digest galaxia docs
21:10 : ohertel That didn’t help. ;)
21:10 : mose too
21:12 : ohertel uh oh. Last login: jeu 03 of jui, 2003
21:13 : ohertel Why do I see a frensh date when I’ve selected Language “en”?
21:13 : ohertel french
21:13 : mose hmm wait I check it
21:14 : ohertel I think we only use the server language settings, not the selected user language or country ...
21:14 : marclaporte__ My idea for tikiwiki.org
21:14 : mose fixed
21:14 : marclaporte__ We need to clean up the demo site
21:14 : ohertel yes, fixed...
21:14 : mose we shouldn’t confuse beetween a demo site and a workplace site
21:14 : marclaporte__ we need each dev to make his home page and explain what they are working on
21:15 : marclaporte__ hmmm
21:15 : mose demo can be broken
21:15 : ohertel another thing: on the Preferences page there are still a lot of different font sizes, we need to fix that page...
21:15 : marclaporte__ I don’t see a real need for a demo site
21:15 : mose there is a need for a publicly testable site
21:15 : ohertel I think we need!
21:15 : mose a quick test place
21:15 : marclaporte__ They can use the official site
21:16 : marclaporte__ sandbox
21:16 : ohertel Sometimes it’s a bit hard to move to a new software... on a demo site you can see if it’s work it.
21:16 : marclaporte__ we can use this one: http://www.opensourcecms.com/tiki
21:16 : ohertel Using ALL the features Tiki provides...
21:16 : ohertel hm...
21:16 : marclaporte__ or manke another
21:16 : marclaporte__ make
21:16 : mose it’s a choice we should discuss with all others
21:17 : mose maybe setup a vote system
21:17 : marclaporte__ of course
21:18 : marclaporte__ IMHO, it doesn’t make sense that the official site “http://tikiwiki.sourceforge.net/” isn’t in Tiki
21:18 : ohertel Hm, I can’t do anything in ‘charts’.
21:18 : ohertel marc: true.
21:18 : mose yes !
21:19 : mose charts ? lemme check perms
21:19 : marclaporte__ Lorinc, Al & I worked on a plan for an official site
21:19 : mose where is it visible ?
21:19 : marclaporte__ it’s secret ;-)
21:19 : ohertel hehehe
21:20 : mose so it’s invalid ;)
21:20 : ohertel doh! conspiracy!
21:20 : mose secret is not good for anyone
21:20 : marclaporte__ tinfoil hat ;-)
21:20 : mose open an account it’s fast, I put you admin
21:21 : marclaporte__ http://alt.thetinfoilhat.com/tiki-index.php?page=TikiWikiDemoSitePlan
21:21 : ohertel hehe
21:21 : ohertel Page cannot be found
21:21 : mose hehe
21:22 : mose on teh new site it can’t
21:22 : ohertel btw: there is a bug in this style used there.
21:22 : mose we have to wait the dump
21:22 : ohertel below “Page cannot be found” is another line... it’s white on white.
21:22 : mose ah yes true
21:22 : ohertel it becomes cyan on mouseover.
21:23 : ohertel Hm, class= linkmenu
21:23 : ohertel we should change that.
21:25 : albrown looks good Mose!
21:25 : mose I put you admin al
21:25 : albrown much faster, can’t wait to see what we get after you load the dump
21:25 : mose to conduct your secret plan
21:25 : albrown Secret?
21:26 : mose shhht
21:26 : albrown ;-))
21:26 : mose (it secret)
21:26 : ohertel Luis already said everything in the sourceforge interview: “world domination” ;)
21:26 : albrown Now I’ll have to make one. )
21:26 : marclaporte__ al: please check your email
21:29 : mose nice comment of luis about that money question
21:29 : mose I like that guy
21:30 : ohertel =)
21:30 : albrown got it Marc
21:30 : marclaporte__ I like Luis too
21:30 : marclaporte__ I hope to meet him one day
21:31 : marclaporte__ So I am now the Luis Bank of Canada!
21:31 : mose let’s raise funds ofr a tikiwiki international event !
21:31 : mose that is a good expense
21:32 : marclaporte__ let’s start during a logiciel libre vent or an OSCOM ;-)
21:32 : albrown marc, ygm
21:32 : marclaporte__ event
21:32 : ohertel yeah, lets make a lot of money and meet on the bahamas.
21:32 : mose vote for ohertel
21:32 : albrown second
21:32 : ohertel Okay, bahamas then.
21:32 : marclaporte__ ohertel for President!!!
21:33 : ohertel uh oh. never.
21:33 : mose we should recruit a tour operator i dev team
21:33 : mose ohertel as tour operator !!
21:33 : mose ;)
21:33 : albrown While I’m in Pheonix for a vacation week next month I’ll try to find one. ;-))
21:34 : ohertel who’s living there?
21:34 : albrown I’ll check all the bars
21:34 : ohertel oh...
21:34 : albrown My timeshare is there
21:34 : mose who is scott fisher ?
21:35 : albrown I’ve seen him post on the list
21:35 : mose he opened an account on tikiwiki.org is he a tikidev ?
21:35 : mose is lost too much people
21:37 : mose he he’s not on sf list
21:37 : marclaporte__ scott took charge of our documentation
21:38 : mose that’s a worthy one then
21:38 : albrown Ok guys how about a plan?
21:39 : mose agrees
21:39 : marclaporte__ yes, a plan
21:39 : albrown thinks hard and then noise pops out!!
21:39 : ohertel hehe
21:39 : albrown A. the tikiwiki.org site is the official site
21:39 : mose no
21:39 : mose www.tikiwiki.org
21:39 : mose tikiwiki.org is a 404
21:40 : marclaporte__ feu.org is OK
21:40 : albrown B. arguments as to IF we need a seperate demo have the floor
21:40 : ohertel oh, why that?
21:40 : marclaporte__ www.feu.org: please go and play on the highway
21:40 : mose hehehe
21:40 : albrown C. Dev site for confab of developers is a good question
21:41 : marclaporte__ confab?
21:41 : albrown d. Combine documentation efforts with Official site as a category ?
21:41 : albrown confab: a place to share info and tasks, infornation, ...
21:42 : marclaporte__ ok
21:42 : marclaporte__ I only have on thing to say (for now) let’s eat our own dogfood
21:43 : mose imho, a demo site is required
21:43 : albrown Do we need a seperate demo site where people can com in register and mess around? I think yes, I also think that it should be the latest downloadable version that any noob can get off of SF
21:43 : mose separated from a development site
21:43 : ohertel yes.
21:43 : mose yes, and its content can be restrored with sample data regularly
21:44 : albrown mose: Yes!
21:44 : mose so it’s easy to test things
21:44 : mose they have to be setup
21:44 : mose so we have to prepare a sample conf for a demo site
21:44 : albrown test the current released version, IMO
21:44 : marclaporte__ If demo site was like: http://www.opensourcecms.com/tiki
21:44 : marclaporte__ what else would be needed?
21:44 : albrown nope because we won’t know that it will be current or how its setup
21:45 : albrown if they want to demo admin stuff then opensourcecms is fine
21:45 : albrown if they want to see what they are getting for their users then we need to providce a stable environment for that
21:46 : mose havign multiple demo site is not a problem
21:46 : mose actually many sites are opened enough to be considered as demo
21:46 : albrown what else do we need? a flush handle to clean out the demo regurlary
21:46 : mose yes that is required so it doesn’t get bloated
21:46 : PYRoToP signoff: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
21:46 : mose and it is always fast
21:47 : marclaporte__ With Tex’s guided setup process, we could have a few demos to show what each option gives
21:47 : albrown absolutely!
21:47 : marclaporte__ OK, so we all agree on 1 or several demo sites where no official/permanent info is stored
21:47 : albrown yes
21:47 : mose on another ahnds, the devs needs are more pragmatic
21:47 : albrown I’m not sure that we even want a permanant user-user table
21:48 : mose we need a central place to send home-made pages
21:48 : albrown other than some admin ids and a few test users
21:48 : albrown what do you mean mose
21:49 : mose albrown yes we don’t need regular user accounts on demo if they can be tested without mail verif
21:49 : albrown that would solve many problems that I have with the demo site now
21:49 : marclaporte__ communication center could be tested with demo site
21:49 : mose we need that xml object sending/receiving feature works well
21:49 : albrown The official site should require registration and email verification
21:50 : mose that is agreed
21:50 : albrown anyone can register but there is a restricted perm set for users
21:50 : mose perms pattern on offical site will need discussions
21:51 : mose for now I setup the 4 levels
21:51 : albrown yes, I think that that is right
21:51 : albrown user can read and submit articles but I’m not even sure that a user can create or edit a wiki page
21:52 : marclaporte__ that is a very good question
21:52 : albrown also allow comments?
21:52 : mose I think wiki concept is good
21:52 : marclaporte__ comments sure
21:52 : mose write for all, rollback if needed
21:52 : marclaporte__ create wiki pages: need to be careful
21:52 : mose unless some pages locked
21:53 : albrown I do too, what do we want to accomplish with the “Official Site”?
21:53 : mose collect energies ?
21:53 : mose dispatch efforts ?
21:53 : marclaporte__ discussion should be in forum & chat, when it reaches one or two conclusions, the wiki page is improved
21:53 : mose provide a stable reference ?
21:53 : albrown true, I agree with the wiki wiki way but most people will look at tiki as just another CMS
21:54 : marclaporte__ A central repository of all Tiki related stuff
21:54 : albrown they will not understand and will be scared away, I’m afraid
21:55 : marclaporte__ Category system is (and should be) so powerful that any information can be organized
21:55 : mose to have edit right on page you mean ?
21:55 : albrown yes I think
21:55 : mose I think the contrary
21:55 : albrown we can always try it more open and then close as required
21:55 : mose yes it can be adjusted with time
21:56 : albrown I agree
21:56 : marclaporte__ yes
21:56 : albrown We need to be able to lock blocks of pages or pages in categories
21:56 : marclaporte__ Did you guys read?: http://alt.thetinfoilhat.com/tiki-index.php?page=TikiWikiDemoSitePlan
21:57 : mose we can’t
21:57 : mose for now
21:57 : marclaporte__ ohh
21:57 : marclaporte__ go via IP?
21:57 : albrown can i send it to tikiwiki.org
21:57 : mose please do
21:57 : marclaporte__ wwoaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh, smart idea!!!!
21:57 : mose
21:58 : marclaporte__ guys: I gotta eat
21:58 : albrown it hasn’t worked yet )\
21:58 : marclaporte__ I will read up all the stuff when I get back
21:58 : mose I gotta think about it too
21:58 : mose albrown we’ll make it work !
21:58 : albrown I think that we will too.
21:59 : marclaporte__ We may want to schedule an IRC session on this, or start a thread on ML (once we have basic questions worked out)
21:59 : mose irc meeting can be faster
22:00 : mose and can be loggued also
22:00 : mose as all what we said today
22:00 : albrown yes
22:01 : mose I think that we can setup a weekly meeting
22:01 : mose thinks
22:01 : mose hmm it’s stupid it’s permanent meeting here anyway
22:01 : mose but having luis with us could be a plus
22:02 : albrown I think that the page should be there
22:02 : ohertel jup.
22:02 : albrown I’d like to hear what luis has to say about it too.
22:03 : albrown I don’t see the received page on tikiwiki.org
22:04 : albrown but it looks like it sent from the alt site
22:04 : mose hmm
22:04 : albrown same again
22:05 : mose where do it send ?
22:05 : mose xmlrpc.php ?
22:05 : mose or commxmlrpc.php ?
22:05 : albrown http://www.tikiwiki.org/commxmlrpc.php
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22:06 : albrown Howdy
22:06 : PYRoToP hiya
22:07 : albrown tryed to send to xmlrpc.php and same thing looks liked it worked
22:07 : albrown but no page to receive
22:08 : mose no track in access.log
22:08 : albrown hmmmm, I’ll setup the dump tonight
22:09 : albrown sighs
22:09 : mose can you just copy-paste the page ?
22:09 : albrown maybe let me see
22:11 : mose tries with feu.org pages
22:13 : albrown http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=TikiWikiDemoSitePlan
22:14 : mose excellent thanks !
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22:20 : ohertel eh, marc, what are you doing there? trying to rule the world with marc clones? ;)
22:20 : mose it’s an invasion !
22:20 : marclaporte__ was kicked by ohertel (ohertel)
22:20 : mose marc all over the world !
22:20 : marclaporte___ was kicked by ohertel (ohertel)
22:20 : ohertel Better that.
22:20 : mose ï¿½who
22:21 : mose sets mode +o marclaporte
22:21 : mose sets mode +o PYRoToP
22:21 : mose sets mode +o zaufi_
22:21 : mose sets mode +o teedog
22:21 : mose sets mode +o tom_
22:22 : mose hmm I have to fix gd on my server it’s the mess it seems
22:22 : albrown It’s a cnandian conspiracy
22:23 : albrown or at least it would be if I could spell or type.
22:23 : albrown ;-))
22:25 : ohertel hehe
22:26 : mose what version of gd is to be used ?
22:27 : albrown you are the geek, your call ;-))
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22:29 : mose pff just say me rtfm it’s afster ;P
22:29 : mose dives into google
22:29 : albrown chuckles at mose’s witty comment
22:30 : mose growls like bears know how
22:30 : albrown runs and hides
22:31 : ohertel hahahah! ;)
22:31 : albrown too bad flo isn’t around, he’d know, I thought that he was suggesting gd2 a while back
22:32 : mose I tried both without succes actually
22:32 : albrown ;-(
22:32 : tom_ signoff: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
22:32 : ohertel it’s easy, just try the newest stable version and walk back until you find a version that works as needed. :-P
22:34 : mose I prefer to read more and make new version working regression make me feel bad
22:34 : mose and I also need to add something about exif images indexing, for a customer
22:44 : ohertel We should create a list of tiki production sites somewhere. maybe a page where people can add their urls... directory or something and a wiki page pointing to it...
22:44 : marclaporte signoff: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
22:45 : mose a directory category probably ?
22:45 : albrown we have a page the list of sites on the demo it could easily be made to directory entries
22:46 : ohertel yes, something like that.
22:46 : ohertel A demo site is nice, but people want to see a forum / gallery / ... in action... with lots of content, not only 3-4 self made entries...
22:48 : mose that’s why we haev to build a sample demo conf
22:48 : albrown I agree, that’s the biggest problem with a demo IMO, a demo is fine for someone trying things to see if they want to download and install. An Official site is more geared towards work and content as I see it
22:49 : albrown I think a good example of an Official site is postnuke.com
22:50 : ohertel hm, is it my connection? 55 seconds to load postnuke.com
22:51 : albrown they have been having some problems lately the site was defaced a week or two ago
22:51 : ohertel oh
22:52 : albrown I have to admit that I chuckled a bit whe I saw that.
22:52 : ohertel do we have backups of OUR pages? ;)
22:52 : albrown sure
22:53 : albrown the database is backed up regurlarly and coppied to cd
22:53 : marclaporte_ signoff: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
22:54 : albrown not frequently enough just regurlry(sp?)
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22:54 : albrown he’s baaaaaaaaaaK again
22:54 : ohertel Hm, “Monthly News Archives” ... we don’t have such thing... do we need that? ;)
22:55 : mose with always more underscores !
22:55 : ohertel is clicking around on postnuke.com ...
22:55 : albrown if we had regular news and article posting then it would be a good thing
22:55 : ohertel We should start with that.
22:56 : ohertel A project needs an active community.
22:56 : albrown go into the section of modules, I like the way that’s handled
22:56 : ohertel I’m in there right now.
22:57 : albrown lots of good stuff
22:57 : ohertel Module “Weather 1.28” ;))
22:57 : albrown now if you hack that into a tiki module ..... ;))
22:58 : ohertel I don’t think anyone needs a module weather. ;) Doh ... http://www.misterlagaffe.be/index.php?module=weather