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Re: Re: Re: A more friendly "create a new page" option?

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> > > In the document page about Using Wiki pages:
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> > > http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page_ref_id=23
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> > > ricks99 stated: "The current TIKI concept of how to create a new page is very confusing to new users — you have to already be editing an existing wiki page in order to create a new one. This is (IMHO) very anti-user friendly.
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> > The advantage is that in this way wiki pages are linked; there are no orphan pages. The problem with a "create wiki page form" is that, while it might ease new users' creation of pages, it shifts the problem to one of navigation, finding the created pages again, etc.
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> That's why we have bookmarks, my tiki pages, etc. If I create a page via the Quick Edit module, the page will appear in My Tiki section automatically.

This works fine for the author of the new page, but doesn't help other people find it.

> IMHO, the assumption that every page must/should be linked to another page is incorrect. I see no reason why orphan pages are a problem. There was a recent O'Rilley study that showed the vast majority of internet browsers arrive at pages from search engines or saved bookmarks — NOT links from other pages.

I read that study too, and agree that a lot of people get to a particular site from a Google or other search. But once at a site, local navigation is essential. I don't have a study to back this up, but personally I often use a search engine to zero in on a page but then (depending on the search and so on) browse around within the site for related or more pertinent info. Anyway, despite that study, I haven't noticed many major web sites jettisoning their menus and navbars.

> One only has to scan the TW.o forums.... there are 100s of postings asking "how do I create a new wiki page" but I have yet to see a single question asking "how do I find a wiki page".

That's a good point.

> Just my $0.02. FWIW, I implemented this exact process on my site (users make new pages via the quick edit module — not from existing wiki pages) and have had no problems from users. To the contrary, most users are happy with how easy it is to create a new page: simply type the name and click CREATE.

That's terrific, and it's probably good to be sure people are aware of that procedure. But I think links in pages are also more or less an essential part of web pages, wiki or otherwise, and people should know how easy it is to create new pages this way, as this is a wiki fundamental.

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> > It'd be easy enough for the new Tiki installation to have a little content on the default ))HomePage((, explaining how to make links and new pages. But I think new users should be encouraged to use conventional wiki syntax to make new pages, not given mechanisms that might just shift the problem or delay necessary learning.
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> Personally, I think the quick_edit module should be turned on, by default, in a new TIKI install.

Something to think about, for sure.
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> -Rick

-- Gary - zukakakina.com

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