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What is the addtogooglecal option for?

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Hello Jean-Marc,

I did consider this feature years ago as a temporary workaround until we
get CalDAV sync to Tiki, but did stop using it ... I remember about the
following procedure / setup:

* You need a Google Calender.

* You need to be logged in to the Google Calender.

* You click on the Button "add to google calendar" of which I do not
know if it is still existing in post-12 Tikis

* The button contains a link that sends the event to your Google
Calendar as some mixture of a HTL and a iCal part (not really sure):

The problem I did not managed to solve was the parsing of the calendars
content in the Google Calendar ... at some place calendar events have
been displayed either as plain WIki Syntax or as plain HTML instead of
parsed WYSIWYG text.

Not even sure if I any used WYSIWYG - likely tried.

Anyway I think this is the wrong way around:

Tiki should be fully reliable act as WebClient for arbitrary (at least
for a set of specific) CalDAV servers.

Google has not any a usable Client capability and refuses to implement,
cause this would let them lose their market-dominating position.

Tiki as a Client instead would open up to use Tiki Clients with more or
less arbitrary tools, users use anyway in their collaborative projects
or companies whilst lacking a comprehensive WebClient, which for example
can independently publish (to the public!) or limit the various group
calendars based on Tikis own user permission settings.

The most important Servers Tiki should be capable to work with are the
main SabreDav based servers like SabreDav itselb, OwnCloud, Nextcloud,
Baikal, then maybe Radicale and definitely Google.

This way it would be even possible for project administrators to soothly
guide Google users to FOSS software.

Tiki should do what it has to do and concentrate on the essentials.

I do see no need for a Tiki server trying to push data to Google, but I
see the essential need for Tiki to fetch from respectively sync data
from and to Servers.

This way it would be very simple to even sync calendars between several
Tikis, even Tikis of independant organisations and share the same data
synced.

This way I even could provide a calendar service with a Tiki frontend,
where I manage calendars of various Teams and infrastructures centrally.

... more? ...

Best regards,
Torsten


On 20.03.2017 16:56, Jean-Marc Libs wrote:
> Hi devs,
>
> I did some experiment with calendars last week on demo.tiki.org
> <http://demo.tiki.org> trunk and it did not go smootly.
>
>
>
> * I created a calendar on demo-trunk
> * When I attempted to create a new event, I got an error:
> Plugin disabled
> Plugin addtogooglecal cannot be executed.
> Plugin Add to Google Calendar
>
> Problems:
> * I was not attempting to do anything related to Google calendars :-(
> This is confusing
> * I do not seem to be able to enter an event if I ignore this message.
> * Clicking on the links for enabling the plugin failed as most of
> these link do since the XSS "ignore GET params" security fix, so I had
> a hard time fidning it (I can't find it on
> https://demo.tiki.org/trunk/tiki-admin.php?page=textarea#contentadmin_textarea-2
> , the options search did not show it).
>
> Finally I found it in Settings → Calendar. But why is it required? If
> nothing works without it, why is it an option? What is the
> relationship with Google?
>
> I'm all puzzled :-(
>
> Cheers,
> J-M
>
>
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Hi Torsten,

Thank you for the full historical status.

I figured out my mistake of last week: I did check "Show "Add to Google
Calendar" icon", and it did complain that I had not activated "Plugin Add
to Google Calendar".
But I thought I could ignore it because there is no "Add to Google
Calendar" icon. Just the "Add Event". That might be because I don't have a
Google Calendar…

This might require more experimenting. Maybe all is as it should be.

Cheers,
J-M

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 5:58 PM, Torsten <torsten@tiki.org> wrote:

> Hello Jean-Marc,
>
> I did consider this feature years ago as a temporary workaround until we
> get CalDAV sync to Tiki, but did stop using it ... I remember about the
> following procedure / setup:
>
>
> - You need a Google Calender.
>
> - You need to be logged in to the Google Calender.
>
> - You click on the Button "add to google calendar" of which I do not
> know if it is still existing in post-12 Tikis
>
> - The button contains a link that sends the event to your Google
> Calendar as some mixture of a HTL and a iCal part (not really sure):
>
> The problem I did not managed to solve was the parsing of the calendars
> content in the Google Calendar ... at some place calendar events have been
> displayed either as plain WIki Syntax or as plain HTML instead of parsed
> WYSIWYG text.
>
> Not even sure if I any used WYSIWYG - likely tried.
>
> Anyway I think this is the wrong way around:
>
> Tiki should be fully reliable act as WebClient for arbitrary (at least for
> a set of specific) CalDAV servers.
>
> Google has not any a usable Client capability and refuses to implement,
> cause this would let them lose their market-dominating position.
>
> Tiki as a Client instead would open up to use Tiki Clients with more or
> less arbitrary tools, users use anyway in their collaborative projects or
> companies whilst lacking a comprehensive WebClient, which for example can
> independently publish (to the public!) or limit the various group calendars
> based on Tikis own user permission settings.
>
> The most important Servers Tiki should be capable to work with are the
> main SabreDav based servers like SabreDav itselb, OwnCloud, Nextcloud,
> Baikal, then maybe Radicale and definitely Google.
>
> This way it would be even possible for project administrators to soothly
> guide Google users to FOSS software.
>
> Tiki should do what it has to do and concentrate on the essentials.
>
> I do see no need for a Tiki server trying to push data to Google, but I
> see the essential need for Tiki to fetch from respectively sync data from
> and to Servers.
>
> This way it would be very simple to even sync calendars between several
> Tikis, even Tikis of independant organisations and share the same data
> synced.
>
> This way I even could provide a calendar service with a Tiki frontend,
> where I manage calendars of various Teams and infrastructures centrally.
>
> ... more? ...
>
> Best regards,
> Torsten
>
> On 20.03.2017 16:56, Jean-Marc Libs wrote:
>
> Hi devs,
>
> I did some experiment with calendars last week on demo.tiki.org trunk and
> it did not go smootly.
>
>
>
> * I created a calendar on demo-trunk
> * When I attempted to create a new event, I got an error:
> Plugin disabled
> Plugin addtogooglecal cannot be executed.
> Plugin Add to Google Calendar
>
> Problems:
> * I was not attempting to do anything related to Google calendars :-( This
> is confusing
> * I do not seem to be able to enter an event if I ignore this message.
> * Clicking on the links for enabling the plugin failed as most of these
> link do since the XSS "ignore GET params" security fix, so I had a hard
> time fidning it (I can't find it on https://demo.tiki.org/trunk/
> tiki-admin.php?page=textarea#contentadmin_textarea-2 , the options search
> did not show it).
>
> Finally I found it in Settings → Calendar. But why is it required? If
> nothing works without it, why is it an option? What is the relationship
> with Google?
>
> I'm all puzzled :-(
>
> Cheers,
> J-M
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most
> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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posts: 1688

BTW it worked for me last week I added the Monthly Roundtable Meeting
calendar event created by Bernard to my Google calendar on tiki.org

luci


On 03/20/2017 11:39 PM, Jean-Marc Libs wrote:
> Hi Torsten,
>
> Thank you for the full historical status.
>
> I figured out my mistake of last week: I did check "Show "Add to
> Google Calendar" icon", and it did complain that I had not activated
> "Plugin Add to Google Calendar".
> But I thought I could ignore it because there is no "Add to Google
> Calendar" icon. Just the "Add Event". That might be because I don't
> have a Google Calendar…
>
> This might require more experimenting. Maybe all is as it should be.
>
> Cheers,
> J-M
>
> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 5:58 PM, Torsten <torsten@tiki.org
> <mailto:torsten@tiki.org>> wrote:
>
> Hello Jean-Marc,
>
> I did consider this feature years ago as a temporary workaround
> until we get CalDAV sync to Tiki, but did stop using it ... I
> remember about the following procedure / setup:
>
> * You need a Google Calender.
>
> * You need to be logged in to the Google Calender.
>
> * You click on the Button "add to google calendar" of which I do
> not know if it is still existing in post-12 Tikis
>
> * The button contains a link that sends the event to your Google
> Calendar as some mixture of a HTL and a iCal part (not really
> sure):
>
> The problem I did not managed to solve was the parsing of the
> calendars content in the Google Calendar ... at some place
> calendar events have been displayed either as plain WIki Syntax or
> as plain HTML instead of parsed WYSIWYG text.
>
> Not even sure if I any used WYSIWYG - likely tried.
>
> Anyway I think this is the wrong way around:
>
> Tiki should be fully reliable act as WebClient for arbitrary (at
> least for a set of specific) CalDAV servers.
>
> Google has not any a usable Client capability and refuses to
> implement, cause this would let them lose their market-dominating
> position.
>
> Tiki as a Client instead would open up to use Tiki Clients with
> more or less arbitrary tools, users use anyway in their
> collaborative projects or companies whilst lacking a comprehensive
> WebClient, which for example can independently publish (to the
> public!) or limit the various group calendars based on Tikis own
> user permission settings.
>
> The most important Servers Tiki should be capable to work with are
> the main SabreDav based servers like SabreDav itselb, OwnCloud,
> Nextcloud, Baikal, then maybe Radicale and definitely Google.
>
> This way it would be even possible for project administrators to
> soothly guide Google users to FOSS software.
>
> Tiki should do what it has to do and concentrate on the essentials.
>
> I do see no need for a Tiki server trying to push data to Google,
> but I see the essential need for Tiki to fetch from respectively
> sync data from and to Servers.
>
> This way it would be very simple to even sync calendars between
> several Tikis, even Tikis of independant organisations and share
> the same data synced.
>
> This way I even could provide a calendar service with a Tiki
> frontend, where I manage calendars of various Teams and
> infrastructures centrally.
>
> ... more? ...
>
> Best regards,
> Torsten
>
>
> On 20.03.2017 16:56, Jean-Marc Libs wrote:
>> Hi devs,
>>
>> I did some experiment with calendars last week on demo.tiki.org
>> <http://demo.tiki.org> trunk and it did not go smootly.
>>
>>
>>
>> * I created a calendar on demo-trunk
>> * When I attempted to create a new event, I got an error:
>> Plugin disabled
>> Plugin addtogooglecal cannot be executed.
>> Plugin Add to Google Calendar
>>
>> Problems:
>> * I was not attempting to do anything related to Google calendars
>> :-( This is confusing
>> * I do not seem to be able to enter an event if I ignore this
>> message.
>> * Clicking on the links for enabling the plugin failed as most of
>> these link do since the XSS "ignore GET params" security fix, so
>> I had a hard time fidning it (I can't find it on
>> https://demo.tiki.org/trunk/tiki-admin.php?page=textarea#contentadmin_textarea-2
>> <https://demo.tiki.org/trunk/tiki-admin.php?page=textarea#contentadmin_textarea-2>
>> , the options search did not show it).
>>
>> Finally I found it in Settings → Calendar. But why is it
>> required? If nothing works without it, why is it an option? What
>> is the relationship with Google?
>>
>> I'm all puzzled :-(
>>
>> Cheers,
>> J-M
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most
>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org!http://sdm.link/slashdot
>>
>> ___
>> TikiWiki-devel mailing list
>> TikiWiki-devel at lists.sourceforge.net
>> <mailto:TikiWiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tikiwiki-devel
>> <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tikiwiki-devel>
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