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Tikiwiki Version 18 (dev) stage - Tracker Field Types (Auto-Increment) Not visible from "Settings and features for trackers"

+1 for rolling back if this change is as pointless as it seems to be.

+1 for discussing changes on the dev-list beforehand. It’s a much more

optimal process which would waste less people’s time, which would let them
focus on actual improvements instead of investigating puzzling changes.

Discussing changes on the dev list in order to achieve consensus before
making changes has been our traditional way of operating and I don’t see
any benefit for Tiki’s quality to the recent change in process.

Cheers,
J-M



On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Torsten <torsten@tiki.org> wrote:

> Auto-Incremented-Unique-Identifier.
>
> The fact of being auto-incremented and consecutive is from my experience
> and understanding and expectation the most important identifier of this
> field type. Being unique seems to me more or less inevitable and obvious.
>
> +1 to rolling back the name asap
>
> Maybe we should consider to notify devs in general, that it made sense
> to desicuss changes like that in the IRC and DEV-list.
>
> My 2 cent.
>
> Good spot, thx, regards,
> Torsten
>
> On 14.09.2017 07:28, Gary Cunningham-Lee wrote:
> > I’m not sure why the field type was renamed. It seems obvious to me
> > that an auto-incrementing identifier is going to be unique for each
> > record. On the other hand, it isn’t necessarily obvious that a unique
> > identifier is auto-incremented from the previous record. (I’m assuming
> > that the incremented one-integer change between consecutive records
> > may be significant in itself for some reason.) So maybe keeping or
> > rolling back the renaming should be discussed.
> >
> > — Gary
> >
> >
> > On 9/11/2017 10:25 PM, luciash wrote:
> >> Oh, I have just learned (thanks Victor) the field type was renamed by
> >> one of our developers to “Unique identifier” in trunk so you need to
> >> scroll down for it a bit there.
> >>
> >> HTH
> >>
> >> luci
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11.9.2017 12:10, luciash wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Bernard again,
> >>>
> >>> I just upgraded one of my Tiki trunks and I can confirm the issue.
> >>> For example in r62701 the field is still present but in r63806 it is
> >>> gone as you reported.
> >>>
> >>> I presume it was removed by mistake as I do not recall any
> >>> discussion the auto-increment field type should be removed in Tiki 18.x
> >>>
> >>> Correct me anyone if I am wrong.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for letting us know Bernard!
> >>>
> >>> luci
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 11.9.2017 11:36, Bernard Borgonos via TikiWiki-devel wrote:
> >>>> Hi Team,
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Luci, for reference, I just freshly downloaded and install
> >>>> the development release of version 18
> >>>>
> >>>> Info as indicated:
> >>>>
> >>>> I switched to basic and advanced to simulate the changes, to view
> >>>> or hide some of the fields that may not display from basic to
> >>>> advance control panel settings.
> >>>> The tracker field types we are looking for is not available. please
> >>>> see attached files.
> >>>>
> >>>> One more thing, is that same development version (version 18),
> >>>> during its early release development release has this tracker field
> >>>> type (Auto-Increment) available to it and working, reference date
> >>>> is provided in the attachement.
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Luci , incase the attachment has been block due large size, this
> >>>> the message without attachment
> >>>>
> >>>> Many thanks Luci
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards
> >>>> Bernard Borg
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Monday, September 11, 2017 4:19 PM, luciash <luci@tiki.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi, do you have the control panels switch switched to Basic or
> >>>> Advanced?
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> luci
> >>>>
> >>>> On 11.9.2017 7:27, Bernard Borgonos via TikiWiki-devel wrote:
> >>>>> Hi Team ,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kindly advise if the indicated above subject, pertaining to
> >>>>> version 18 of Tikiwiki has ommited or hide the Tracker Field Types
> >>>>> (Auto-Increment) from the list of “Settings and features for
> >>>>> trackers”.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Many thanks
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards
> >>>>> Bernard Borg
> >>>>>
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> On 14 Sep 2017, at 10:30, Jean-Marc Libs <jeanmarc.libs@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> +1 for rolling back if this change is as pointless as it seems to be.

+1


> +1 for discussing changes on the dev-list beforehand. It’s a much more optimal process which would waste less people’s time, which would let them focus on actual improvements instead of investigating puzzling changes.

+1 (at least)


> Discussing changes on the dev list in order to achieve consensus before making changes has been our traditional way of operating and I don’t see any benefit for Tiki’s quality to the recent change in process.

Have to say i fear starting work on trunk again, i had a quick look yesterday and found several things borken without really looking :-( might be my local so am investigating...

jb

> Cheers,
> J-M
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Torsten <torsten@tiki.org> wrote:
>> Auto-Incremented-Unique-Identifier.
>>
>> The fact of being auto-incremented and consecutive is from my experience
>> and understanding and expectation the most important identifier of this
>> field type. Being unique seems to me more or less inevitable and obvious.
>>
>> +1 to rolling back the name asap
>>
>> Maybe we should consider to notify devs in general, that it made sense
>> to desicuss changes like that in the IRC and DEV-list.
>>
>> My 2 cent.
>>
>> Good spot, thx, regards,
>> Torsten
>>
>> On 14.09.2017 07:28, Gary Cunningham-Lee wrote:
>> > I’m not sure why the field type was renamed. It seems obvious to me
>> > that an auto-incrementing identifier is going to be unique for each
>> > record. On the other hand, it isn’t necessarily obvious that a unique
>> > identifier is auto-incremented from the previous record. (I’m assuming
>> > that the incremented one-integer change between consecutive records
>> > may be significant in itself for some reason.) So maybe keeping or
>> > rolling back the renaming should be discussed.
>> >
>> > — Gary
>> >
>> >
>> > On 9/11/2017 10:25 PM, luciash wrote:
>> >> Oh, I have just learned (thanks Victor) the field type was renamed by
>> >> one of our developers to “Unique identifier” in trunk so you need to
>> >> scroll down for it a bit there.
>> >>
>> >> HTH
>> >>
>> >> luci
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 11.9.2017 12:10, luciash wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi Bernard again,
>> >>>
>> >>> I just upgraded one of my Tiki trunks and I can confirm the issue.
>> >>> For example in r62701 the field is still present but in r63806 it is
>> >>> gone as you reported.
>> >>>
>> >>> I presume it was removed by mistake as I do not recall any
>> >>> discussion the auto-increment field type should be removed in Tiki 18.x
>> >>>
>> >>> Correct me anyone if I am wrong.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks for letting us know Bernard!
>> >>>
>> >>> luci
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 11.9.2017 11:36, Bernard Borgonos via TikiWiki-devel wrote:
>> >>>> Hi Team,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi Luci, for reference, I just freshly downloaded and install
>> >>>> the development release of version 18
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Info as indicated:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I switched to basic and advanced to simulate the changes, to view
>> >>>> or hide some of the fields that may not display from basic to
>> >>>> advance control panel settings.
>> >>>> The tracker field types we are looking for is not available. please
>> >>>> see attached files.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> One more thing, is that same development version (version 18),
>> >>>> during its early release development release has this tracker field
>> >>>> type (Auto-Increment) available to it and working, reference date
>> >>>> is provided in the attachement.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi Luci , incase the attachment has been block due large size, this
>> >>>> the message without attachment
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Many thanks Luci
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Regards
>> >>>> Bernard Borg
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Monday, September 11, 2017 4:19 PM, luciash <luci@tiki.org> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi, do you have the control panels switch switched to Basic or
>> >>>> Advanced?
>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >>>> luci
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 11.9.2017 7:27, Bernard Borgonos via TikiWiki-devel wrote:
>> >>>>> Hi Team ,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Kindly advise if the indicated above subject, pertaining to
>> >>>>> version 18 of Tikiwiki has ommited or hide the Tracker Field Types
>> >>>>> (Auto-Increment) from the list of “Settings and features for
>> >>>>> trackers”.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Many thanks
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Regards
>> >>>>> Bernard Borg
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
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