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Wiki-Syntax(?) structure on doc.tiki.org disappeared (was doc.tiki.org/Wiki-Syntax empty)

Hi Gary,

>De : Gary Cunningham-Lee mailto:gary_c@cunningham-lee.com
>Envoyé : 3 août 2018 23:26
>
>That's right, but I wanted to get content back up on a pretty important page.
>
>I have no clues about the missing structure. When pages went missing in late 2016 I think maybe the page "Wiki Syntax" wasn't affected. In my list of affected pages, the closest one content-wise that I see is
>
>"WikiPlugins and WikiSyntax | Documentation for Tiki Wiki CMS ...
>https://doc.tiki.org/WikiPlugins+and+WikiSyntax
>Contributors to this page: Michael Habib and Torsten Fabricius . Page last modified on Tuesday 27 December, 2016 04:31:25 CET by Michael Habib."
>
>so it seems the missing structure, etc. isn't related to that, but rather something more recent.


Yes, more precisely the earliest where this could have occurred is 2017-07-07: https://web.archive.org/web/20170707192753/https://doc.tiki.org/Wiki-Syntax
Also, Google cached a broken version on 2018-07-29 12:55:26 GMT

>-- Gary
>
>
>On 8/4/2018 11:42 AM, Rick Sapir wrote:
>> That helps, but it doesn't address the real problem — what happened
>> to the the structure?
>>
>> There's also an issue on https://doc.tiki.org/Using+Wiki+Pages
>> there's missing content (or at least the missing \{toc\} content) in the
>> "About Wiki Syntax" heading. There's no telling how many other pages
>> are affected from the missing structure. :-(
>>
>> -R
>>
>> Rick Sapir
>> ricksapir.com
>> @ricksapir
>>
>> Creating Content — Managing Information
>>
>> On 8/3/2018 9:43 PM, Gary Cunningham-Lee wrote:
>>> I rolled the Wiki Syntax page back to the last version that has
>>> actual content, and am now updating it.
>>>
>>> — Gary
>>>
>>> On 8/4/2018 10:23 AM, Cloutier, Philippe (DGARI-Consultant) wrote:
>>>> Hi Rick,
>>>>
>>>>> De : Rick Sapir mailto:rick@ricksapir.com Envoyé : 3 août 2018
>>>>> 09:43
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking at the source, I see \{toc structId="3841"\}
>>>>>
>>>>> However, on https://doc.tiki.org/tiki-admin_structures.php, I don't
>>>>> see this structure ID anywhere. :-(
>>>>>
>>>>> Searching the Tiki Logs for "3841" produced no hits. :-(
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm outta ideas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you
>>>>
>>>> I forgot to mention the Wayback machine only allows determining a
>>>> large window where this problem occurred - from July 2017 to now.
>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Rick Sapir
>>>>> http://ricksapir.com
>>>>> Twitter: @ricksapir
>>>>>
>>>>> Creating content — Managing information
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2018-08-03 9:15 am, Torsten Fabricius wrote:
>>>>>> Who would do such a thing and why?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can this be a technical issue?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --T
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/03/2018 02:04 PM, Rick Sapir wrote:
>>>>>>> It appears that the structure has been removed or changed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can see the same blank \{toc\} on
>>>>>>> https://doc.tiki.org/Using+Wiki+Pages in the "About Wiki Syntax"
>>>>>>> section.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -R
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> Rick Sapir
>>>>>>> http://ricksapir.com
>>>>>>> Twitter: @ricksapir
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Creating content — Managing information
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2018-08-03 8:01 am, Torsten Fabricius wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello everybody,
>>>>>>>> Imho it seems that we have a significant problem in our
>>>>>>>> documentation.
>>>>>>>> I have no more time to intensily look into it straight away
>>>>>>>> today, surely want to be one of several needed community mmbers
>>>>>>>> to keep an eye on this issue.
>>>>>>>> We will have to look deeper into the current structure and
>>>>>>>> interlinking of the documentation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * I search "Wiki", "Syntax", Wiki Syntax" and do not find
>>>>>>>> the correct related pages
>>>>>>>> * or the pages are empty
>>>>>>>> * or the related pages appear to not be in any wiki
>>>>>>>> structure what they should be
>>>>>>>> * or there are text snippets like "find more following the
>>>>>>>> links below", but no links below are displayed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have more than 8 years experience with Tiki and use parts of
>>>>>>>> our documentation nearly every day to some extent. The current
>>>>>>>> state of confusion for a doc.tikiorg user (including myself) is
>>>>>>>> worse than ever and it it unexpected, looking like a magical regression or so.
>>>>>>>> I call it a problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am not yet 100% sure we see mainly an editorial UX issue (ex:
>>>>>>>> how content and menus are structure) or a technical issue (ex:
>>>>>>>> features do not work or are unintendedy deactivated) or fraud against us.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where TeamDocumentation would document or discuss issues, fixes
>>>>>>>> or strategies?
>>>>>>>> I am sure when it comes to detailed team discussion the dev-list
>>>>>>>> will not be the most appropriate place!?
>>>>>>>> Anyway we have to fix that, whatever problem causes the confusion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Big thanks to persistent Chealer (Philippe) to bring this up.
>>>>>>>> Torsten
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/03/2018 12:17 PM, Roberto Kirschbaum wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Chealer, what's up?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How about we redirect it to
>>>>>>>>> https://doc.tiki.org/Wiki-Syntax-Text
>>>>>>>>> 5 ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>>> Roberto
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 4:53 AM, Cloutier, Philippe
>>>>>>>>> (DGARI-Consultant)

>>>>>>>>> <Philippe.Cloutier.externe@mern-mffp.gouv.qc.ca>

>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>> I tried to find our "Wiki Syntax" / Tiki Syntax documentation
>>>>>>>>>> page. I'm pretty sure that https://doc.tiki.org/Wiki-Syntax
>>>>>>>>>> 1 is supposed to be an index page linking to subpages. But
>>>>>>>>>> instead, it's an empty page. The source just contains a table of contents.
>>>>>>>>>> I guess this page used to be part of a structure, and no
>>>>>>>>>> longer is? Surely it should be part of
>>>>>>>>>> https://doc.tiki.org/Tiki-User-Guide 2 ? Or at least
>>>>>>>>>> https://doc.tiki.org/All-the-Documentation 3 ? Are removals
>>>>>>>>>> from structures logged somehow so we can tell what happened?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Unless this is due to ongoing work related to the 2011 "doctwo
>>>>>>>>>> Revamp" discussed at the top of pages?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Links:
>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>>> 1 https://doc.tiki.org/Wiki-Syntax 2
>>>>>>>> https://doc.tiki.org/Tiki-User-Guide
>>>>>>>> 3 https://doc.tiki.org/All-the-Documentation
>>>>>>>> 4 https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tikiwiki-devel
>>>>>>>> 5 https://doc.tiki.org/Wiki-Syntax-Text
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So judging from the web-archive copy, recent versions of "Wiki Syntax"
appear to have been a list of links to child pages of specific wiki
syntax areas, such as text. In this case to some extent I wasted my time
recreating "Wiki Syntax" as a page of actual content. But I found a lot
of errors and omissions so probably updates can be copied to the
specific-area pages. (Maybe this is a note to self ;-) .)

-- Gary

On 8/7/2018 9:24 PM, Cloutier, Philippe (DGARI-Consultant) wrote:
> Hi Gary,
>
>> De : Gary Cunningham-Lee mailto:gary_c@cunningham-lee.com
>> Envoyé : 3 août 2018 23:26
>>
>> That's right, but I wanted to get content back up on a pretty important page.
>>
>> I have no clues about the missing structure. When pages went missing in late 2016 I think maybe the page "Wiki Syntax" wasn't affected. In my list of affected pages, the closest one content-wise that I see is
>>
>> "WikiPlugins and WikiSyntax | Documentation for Tiki Wiki CMS ...
>> https://doc.tiki.org/WikiPlugins+and+WikiSyntax
>> Contributors to this page: Michael Habib and Torsten Fabricius . Page last modified on Tuesday 27 December, 2016 04:31:25 CET by Michael Habib."
>>
>> so it seems the missing structure, etc. isn't related to that, but rather something more recent.
>
>
> Yes, more precisely the earliest where this could have occurred is 2017-07-07: https://web.archive.org/web/20170707192753/https://doc.tiki.org/Wiki-Syntax
> Also, Google cached a broken version on 2018-07-29 12:55:26 GMT
>
>> — Gary
>>
>>
>> On 8/4/2018 11:42 AM, Rick Sapir wrote:
>>> That helps, but it doesn't address the real problem — what happened
>>> to the the structure?
>>>
>>> There's also an issue on https://doc.tiki.org/Using+Wiki+Pages --
>>> there's missing content (or at least the missing \{toc\} content) in the
>>> "About Wiki Syntax" heading. There's no telling how many other pages
>>> are affected from the missing structure. :-(
>>>
>>> -R
>>>
>>> Rick Sapir
>>> ricksapir.com
>>> @ricksapir
>>>
>>> Creating Content — Managing Information
>>>
>>> On 8/3/2018 9:43 PM, Gary Cunningham-Lee wrote:
>>>> I rolled the Wiki Syntax page back to the last version that has
>>>> actual content, and am now updating it.
>>>>
>>>> — Gary
>>>>
>>>> On 8/4/2018 10:23 AM, Cloutier, Philippe (DGARI-Consultant) wrote:
>>>>> Hi Rick,
>>>>>
>>>>>> De : Rick Sapir mailto:rick@ricksapir.com Envoyé : 3 août 2018
>>>>>> 09:43
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking at the source, I see \{toc structId="3841"\}
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, on https://doc.tiki.org/tiki-admin_structures.php, I don't
>>>>>> see this structure ID anywhere. :-(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Searching the Tiki Logs for "3841" produced no hits. :-(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm outta ideas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>
>>>>> I forgot to mention the Wayback machine only allows determining a
>>>>> large window where this problem occurred - from July 2017 to now.
>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Rick Sapir
>>>>>> http://ricksapir.com
>>>>>> Twitter: @ricksapir
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Creating content — Managing information
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2018-08-03 9:15 am, Torsten Fabricius wrote:
>>>>>>> Who would do such a thing and why?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can this be a technical issue?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --T
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 08/03/2018 02:04 PM, Rick Sapir wrote:
>>>>>>>> It appears that the structure has been removed or changed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can see the same blank \{toc\} on
>>>>>>>> https://doc.tiki.org/Using+Wiki+Pages in the "About Wiki Syntax"
>>>>>>>> section.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -R
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> Rick Sapir
>>>>>>>> http://ricksapir.com
>>>>>>>> Twitter: @ricksapir
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Creating content — Managing information
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2018-08-03 8:01 am, Torsten Fabricius wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello everybody,
>>>>>>>>> Imho it seems that we have a significant problem in our
>>>>>>>>> documentation.
>>>>>>>>> I have no more time to intensily look into it straight away
>>>>>>>>> today, surely want to be one of several needed community mmbers
>>>>>>>>> to keep an eye on this issue.
>>>>>>>>> We will have to look deeper into the current structure and
>>>>>>>>> interlinking of the documentation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> * I search "Wiki", "Syntax", Wiki Syntax" and do not find
>>>>>>>>> the correct related pages
>>>>>>>>> * or the pages are empty
>>>>>>>>> * or the related pages appear to not be in any wiki
>>>>>>>>> structure what they should be
>>>>>>>>> * or there are text snippets like "find more following the
>>>>>>>>> links below", but no links below are displayed
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have more than 8 years experience with Tiki and use parts of
>>>>>>>>> our documentation nearly every day to some extent. The current
>>>>>>>>> state of confusion for a doc.tikiorg user (including myself) is
>>>>>>>>> worse than ever and it it unexpected, looking like a magical regression or so.
>>>>>>>>> I call it a problem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am not yet 100% sure we see mainly an editorial UX issue (ex:
>>>>>>>>> how content and menus are structure) or a technical issue (ex:
>>>>>>>>> features do not work or are unintendedy deactivated) or fraud against us.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where TeamDocumentation would document or discuss issues, fixes
>>>>>>>>> or strategies?
>>>>>>>>> I am sure when it comes to detailed team discussion the dev-list
>>>>>>>>> will not be the most appropriate place!?
>>>>>>>>> Anyway we have to fix that, whatever problem causes the confusion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Big thanks to persistent Chealer (Philippe) to bring this up.
>>>>>>>>> Torsten
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 08/03/2018 12:17 PM, Roberto Kirschbaum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Chealer, what's up?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How about we redirect it to
>>>>>>>>>> https://doc.tiki.org/Wiki-Syntax-Text
>>>>>>>>>> 5 ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>>>> Roberto
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 4:53 AM, Cloutier, Philippe
>>>>>>>>>> (DGARI-Consultant)

>>>>>>>>>> <Philippe.Cloutier.externe@mern-mffp.gouv.qc.ca>

>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>> I tried to find our "Wiki Syntax" / Tiki Syntax documentation
>>>>>>>>>>> page. I'm pretty sure that https://doc.tiki.org/Wiki-Syntax
>>>>>>>>>>> 1 is supposed to be an index page linking to subpages. But
>>>>>>>>>>> instead, it's an empty page. The source just contains a table of contents.
>>>>>>>>>>> I guess this page used to be part of a structure, and no
>>>>>>>>>>> longer is? Surely it should be part of
>>>>>>>>>>> https://doc.tiki.org/Tiki-User-Guide 2 ? Or at least
>>>>>>>>>>> https://doc.tiki.org/All-the-Documentation 3 ? Are removals
>>>>>>>>>>> from structures logged somehow so we can tell what happened?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Unless this is due to ongoing work related to the 2011 "doctwo
>>>>>>>>>>> Revamp" discussed at the top of pages?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Links:
>>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>>>> 1 https://doc.tiki.org/Wiki-Syntax 2
>>>>>>>>> https://doc.tiki.org/Tiki-User-Guide
>>>>>>>>> 3 https://doc.tiki.org/All-the-Documentation
>>>>>>>>> 4 https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tikiwiki-devel
>>>>>>>>> 5 https://doc.tiki.org/Wiki-Syntax-Text
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