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Wiki-Syntax(?) structure on doc.tiki.org disappeared

>De : Gary Cunningham-Lee mailto:gary_c@cunningham-lee.com
>Envoyé : 7 août 2018 09:33
>
>So judging from the web-archive copy, recent versions of "Wiki Syntax"
>appear to have been a list of links to child pages of specific wiki syntax areas, such as text.

Yes, it is supposed to be a simple list since Rick's 2011 revision (27).

> In this case to some extent I wasted my time recreating "Wiki Syntax" as a page of actual content. But I found a lot of errors and omissions so probably updates can be copied to the specific-area pages. (Maybe this is a note to self ;-) .)


Hehehe, maybe!

>-- Gary
>
>On 8/7/2018 9:24 PM, Cloutier, Philippe (DGARI-Consultant) wrote:
>> Hi Gary,
>>
>>> De : Gary Cunningham-Lee mailto:gary_c@cunningham-lee.com
>>> Envoyé : 3 août 2018 23:26
>>>
>>> That's right, but I wanted to get content back up on a pretty important page.
>>>
>>> I have no clues about the missing structure. When pages went missing
>>> in late 2016 I think maybe the page "Wiki Syntax" wasn't affected. In
>>> my list of affected pages, the closest one content-wise that I see is
>>>
>>> "WikiPlugins and WikiSyntax | Documentation for Tiki Wiki CMS ...
>>> https://doc.tiki.org/WikiPlugins+and+WikiSyntax
>>> Contributors to this page: Michael Habib and Torsten Fabricius . Page last modified on Tuesday 27 December, 2016 04:31:25 CET by Michael Habib."
>>>
>>> so it seems the missing structure, etc. isn't related to that, but rather something more recent.
>>
>>
>> Yes, more precisely the earliest where this could have occurred is
>> 2017-07-07:
>> https://web.archive.org/web/20170707192753/https://doc.tiki.org/Wiki-S
>> yntax Also, Google cached a broken version on 2018-07-29 12:55:26 GMT
>>
>>> — Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/4/2018 11:42 AM, Rick Sapir wrote:
>>>> That helps, but it doesn't address the real problem — what happened
>>>> to the the structure?
>>>>
>>>> There's also an issue on https://doc.tiki.org/Using+Wiki+Pages
>>>> there's missing content (or at least the missing \{toc\} content) in
>>>> the "About Wiki Syntax" heading. There's no telling how many other
>>>> pages are affected from the missing structure. :-(
>>>>
>>>> -R
>>>>
>>>> Rick Sapir
>>>> ricksapir.com
>>>> @ricksapir
>>>>
>>>> Creating Content — Managing Information
>>>>
>>>> On 8/3/2018 9:43 PM, Gary Cunningham-Lee wrote:
>>>>> I rolled the Wiki Syntax page back to the last version that has
>>>>> actual content, and am now updating it.
>>>>>
>>>>> — Gary
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/4/2018 10:23 AM, Cloutier, Philippe (DGARI-Consultant) wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Rick,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> De : Rick Sapir mailto:rick@ricksapir.com Envoyé : 3 août 2018
>>>>>>> 09:43
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looking at the source, I see \{toc structId="3841"\}
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, on https://doc.tiki.org/tiki-admin_structures.php, I
>>>>>>> don't see this structure ID anywhere. :-(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Searching the Tiki Logs for "3841" produced no hits. :-(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm outta ideas
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I forgot to mention the Wayback machine only allows determining a
>>>>>> large window where this problem occurred - from July 2017 to now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> Rick Sapir
>>>>>>> http://ricksapir.com
>>>>>>> Twitter: @ricksapir
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Creating content — Managing information
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2018-08-03 9:15 am, Torsten Fabricius wrote:
>>>>>>>> Who would do such a thing and why?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can this be a technical issue?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --T
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/03/2018 02:04 PM, Rick Sapir wrote:
>>>>>>>>> It appears that the structure has been removed or changed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can see the same blank \{toc\} on
>>>>>>>>> https://doc.tiki.org/Using+Wiki+Pages in the "About Wiki Syntax"
>>>>>>>>> section.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -R
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>> Rick Sapir
>>>>>>>>> http://ricksapir.com
>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @ricksapir
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Creating content — Managing information
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2018-08-03 8:01 am, Torsten Fabricius wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hello everybody,
>>>>>>>>>> Imho it seems that we have a significant problem in our
>>>>>>>>>> documentation.
>>>>>>>>>> I have no more time to intensily look into it straight away
>>>>>>>>>> today, surely want to be one of several needed community
>>>>>>>>>> mmbers to keep an eye on this issue.
>>>>>>>>>> We will have to look deeper into the current structure and
>>>>>>>>>> interlinking of the documentation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> * I search "Wiki", "Syntax", Wiki Syntax" and do not
>>>>>>>>>> find the correct related pages
>>>>>>>>>> * or the pages are empty
>>>>>>>>>> * or the related pages appear to not be in any wiki
>>>>>>>>>> structure what they should be
>>>>>>>>>> * or there are text snippets like "find more following
>>>>>>>>>> the links below", but no links below are displayed
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have more than 8 years experience with Tiki and use parts
>>>>>>>>>> of our documentation nearly every day to some extent. The
>>>>>>>>>> current state of confusion for a doc.tikiorg user (including
>>>>>>>>>> myself) is worse than ever and it it unexpected, looking like a magical regression or so.
>>>>>>>>>> I call it a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am not yet 100% sure we see mainly an editorial UX issue (ex:
>>>>>>>>>> how content and menus are structure) or a technical issue (ex:
>>>>>>>>>> features do not work or are unintendedy deactivated) or fraud against us.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Where TeamDocumentation would document or discuss issues,
>>>>>>>>>> fixes or strategies?
>>>>>>>>>> I am sure when it comes to detailed team discussion the
>>>>>>>>>> dev-list will not be the most appropriate place!?
>>>>>>>>>> Anyway we have to fix that, whatever problem causes the confusion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Big thanks to persistent Chealer (Philippe) to bring this up.
>>>>>>>>>> Torsten
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 08/03/2018 12:17 PM, Roberto Kirschbaum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Chealer, what's up?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How about we redirect it to
>>>>>>>>>>> https://doc.tiki.org/Wiki-Syntax-Text
>>>>>>>>>>> 5 ?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>>>>> Roberto
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 4:53 AM, Cloutier, Philippe
>>>>>>>>>>> (DGARI-Consultant)

>>>>>>>>>>> <Philippe.Cloutier.externe@mern-mffp.gouv.qc.ca>

>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I tried to find our "Wiki Syntax" / Tiki Syntax
>>>>>>>>>>>> documentation page. I'm pretty sure that
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doc.tiki.org/Wiki-Syntax 1 is supposed to be an
>>>>>>>>>>>> index page linking to subpages. But instead, it's an empty page. The source just contains a table of contents.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess this page used to be part of a structure, and no
>>>>>>>>>>>> longer is? Surely it should be part of
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doc.tiki.org/Tiki-User-Guide 2 ? Or at least
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doc.tiki.org/All-the-Documentation 3 ? Are
>>>>>>>>>>>> removals from structures logged somehow so we can tell what happened?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Unless this is due to ongoing work related to the 2011
>>>>>>>>>>>> "doctwo Revamp" discussed at the top of pages?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Links:
>>>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>>>>> 1 https://doc.tiki.org/Wiki-Syntax 2
>>>>>>>>>> https://doc.tiki.org/Tiki-User-Guide
>>>>>>>>>> 3 https://doc.tiki.org/All-the-Documentation
>>>>>>>>>> 4
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tikiwiki-devel
>>>>>>>>>> 5 https://doc.tiki.org/Wiki-Syntax-Text
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