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Hi,

+1 to getting rid of the checkbox and having a simple statement that

using the site means agreeing to the use of cookies, and maybe this is
where the link to the privacy policy should be. I agree with Torsten
that the simple cookie-use statement is almost always used rather than a
checkbox.

-- Gary

On 12/6/2018 1:12 AM, Torsten Fabricius wrote:
> Hi @all,
>
> is the tick-box necessary at all, I mean by law?
>
> The cookie consents are growing all over the place and nearly nowhere
> they are with tickbox.
> Maybe we could make the double-consent at least optional?
>
> Is it possible in Tiki to use the website non-logged-in without consent
> and thus not use the data tracking codes like Piwik/Matomo etcetera?
>
> Afaik from GDPR it is less necessary to ask for a double consent
> (tickbox+Ok instead only Ok), but much more necesary to let people use
> the site without data-tracking instead of forcing them to accept or to
> leave.
>
> Just some unformed thoughts to cookie cosent.
>
> What's your opinion?
>
> Regards
> Torsten
>
> On 12/5/18 5:04 PM, Cloutier, Philippe (DGARI-Consultant) wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>> De : Cloutier, Philippe (DGARI-Consultant)
>>> Envoyé : 1 mars 2018 10:54
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> On https://tiki.org/tiki-index.php I see this box at the top:
>>>
>>> This site would like to place cookies on your computer to help us
>>> make it better. To find out more about the cookies, see our Privacy
>>> Policy. Be also aware that upon registering the data you entered will
>>> be saved on our server. If you do not want this, do not register.
>>> I accept cookies from this site.
>>>
>>>
>>> If I click anywhere other than on the checkbox (for example, on " I
>>> accept cookies from this site."), I get a JavaScript alert which
>>> reads "Sorry, cookie consent required". The only button offered is
>>> "OK", and clicking it only brings the same alert again, until "OK" is
>>> clicked for a fourth time.
>>> This could cause the site to appear (largely) unusable to less
>>> obstinate users (as well as more obstinate users who actually do not
>>> want cookies). In any case, the site is excessively painful to use if
>>> one does not agree to cookies.
>>
>> It appears this has finally been fixed. Nevertheless, I just watched a
>> colleague click the Continue button trying to get rid of that without
>> having checked the checkbox. In that scenario, the remark box
>> disappears, but the site keeps complaining about cookie consent. So
>> there's still a bug. Perhaps the Continue button can be disabled. Or
>> could we save visitors a click and just have an "I accept" button?
>>
>>
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The checkbox is optional, if you clear the text from the cookie_consent_question pref ("Cookie consent question") then you just get the "continue" or whatever button.

As the help text there says:

> Specific question next to the checkbox for agreement. Leave empty to not display a checkbox.

Re the "can't click on anything without cookie consent - this must be a regression or browser weirdness, the only thing i think that should be prevented is logging in... which is exactly what happens on my local 19.x - everything's ok until i click on the password in the login popup.

Maybe there's a config error or some borken javascript on tiki.org?

jonny

p.s. Re the checkbox legality, i believe that in the initial drafts and implementation of the law (in the UK anyway) said specifically that users has to acknowledge consent and then click continue, but i think most people thought that was nonsense so it was diluted, perhaps only in usage if not the strict letter of the law.

p.p.s. I did see an option on a site recently that offered the choice of only bothering EU located users with this rubbish, which i thought was a nice touch, but we'd need a F/LOSS IP to country lookup service for that.


> On 5 Dec 2018, at 16:37, Gary Cunningham-Lee <gary_c@cunningham-lee.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> +1 to getting rid of the checkbox and having a simple statement that using the site means agreeing to the use of cookies, and maybe this is where the link to the privacy policy should be. I agree with Torsten that the simple cookie-use statement is almost always used rather than a checkbox.
>
> — Gary
>
> On 12/6/2018 1:12 AM, Torsten Fabricius wrote:
>> Hi @all,
>> is the tick-box necessary at all, I mean by law?
>> The cookie consents are growing all over the place and nearly nowhere they are with tickbox.
>> Maybe we could make the double-consent at least optional?
>> Is it possible in Tiki to use the website non-logged-in without consent and thus not use the data tracking codes like Piwik/Matomo etcetera?
>> Afaik from GDPR it is less necessary to ask for a double consent (tickbox+Ok instead only Ok), but much more necesary to let people use the site without data-tracking instead of forcing them to accept or to leave.
>> Just some unformed thoughts to cookie cosent.
>> What's your opinion?
>> Regards
>> Torsten
>> On 12/5/18 5:04 PM, Cloutier, Philippe (DGARI-Consultant) wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>> De : Cloutier, Philippe (DGARI-Consultant)
>>>> Envoyé : 1 mars 2018 10:54
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> On https://tiki.org/tiki-index.php I see this box at the top:
>>>>
>>>> This site would like to place cookies on your computer to help us make it better. To find out more about the cookies, see our Privacy Policy. Be also aware that upon registering the data you entered will be saved on our server. If you do not want this, do not register.
>>>> I accept cookies from this site.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If I click anywhere other than on the checkbox (for example, on " I accept cookies from this site."), I get a JavaScript alert which reads "Sorry, cookie consent required". The only button offered is "OK", and clicking it only brings the same alert again, until "OK" is clicked for a fourth time.
>>>> This could cause the site to appear (largely) unusable to less obstinate users (as well as more obstinate users who actually do not want cookies). In any case, the site is excessively painful to use if one does not agree to cookies.
>>>
>>> It appears this has finally been fixed. Nevertheless, I just watched a colleague click the Continue button trying to get rid of that without having checked the checkbox. In that scenario, the remark box disappears, but the site keeps complaining about cookie consent. So there's still a bug. Perhaps the Continue button can be disabled. Or could we save visitors a click and just have an "I accept" button?
>>>
>>>
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Thanks, jonny. I've made a mental note to check feature options before
adding a +/-1 on things ;-).

-- Gary

On 12/6/2018 3:06 AM, Jonny Bradley wrote:
>
> The checkbox is optional, if you clear the text from the cookie_consent_question pref ("Cookie consent question") then you just get the "continue" or whatever button.
>
> As the help text there says:
>
>> Specific question next to the checkbox for agreement. Leave empty to not display a checkbox.
>
> Re the "can't click on anything without cookie consent - this must be a regression or browser weirdness, the only thing i think that should be prevented is logging in... which is exactly what happens on my local 19.x - everything's ok until i click on the password in the login popup.
>
> Maybe there's a config error or some borken javascript on tiki.org?
>
> jonny
>
> p.s. Re the checkbox legality, i believe that in the initial drafts and implementation of the law (in the UK anyway) said specifically that users has to acknowledge consent and then click continue, but i think most people thought that was nonsense so it was diluted, perhaps only in usage if not the strict letter of the law.
>
> p.p.s. I did see an option on a site recently that offered the choice of only bothering EU located users with this rubbish, which i thought was a nice touch, but we'd need a F/LOSS IP to country lookup service for that.
>
>
>> On 5 Dec 2018, at 16:37, Gary Cunningham-Lee <gary_c@cunningham-lee.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> +1 to getting rid of the checkbox and having a simple statement that using the site means agreeing to the use of cookies, and maybe this is where the link to the privacy policy should be. I agree with Torsten that the simple cookie-use statement is almost always used rather than a checkbox.
>>
>> — Gary
>>
>> On 12/6/2018 1:12 AM, Torsten Fabricius wrote:
>>> Hi @all,
>>> is the tick-box necessary at all, I mean by law?
>>> The cookie consents are growing all over the place and nearly nowhere they are with tickbox.
>>> Maybe we could make the double-consent at least optional?
>>> Is it possible in Tiki to use the website non-logged-in without consent and thus not use the data tracking codes like Piwik/Matomo etcetera?
>>> Afaik from GDPR it is less necessary to ask for a double consent (tickbox+Ok instead only Ok), but much more necesary to let people use the site without data-tracking instead of forcing them to accept or to leave.
>>> Just some unformed thoughts to cookie cosent.
>>> What's your opinion?
>>> Regards
>>> Torsten
>>> On 12/5/18 5:04 PM, Cloutier, Philippe (DGARI-Consultant) wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>> De : Cloutier, Philippe (DGARI-Consultant)
>>>>> Envoyé : 1 mars 2018 10:54
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> On https://tiki.org/tiki-index.php I see this box at the top:
>>>>>
>>>>> This site would like to place cookies on your computer to help us make it better. To find out more about the cookies, see our Privacy Policy. Be also aware that upon registering the data you entered will be saved on our server. If you do not want this, do not register.
>>>>> I accept cookies from this site.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If I click anywhere other than on the checkbox (for example, on " I accept cookies from this site."), I get a JavaScript alert which reads "Sorry, cookie consent required". The only button offered is "OK", and clicking it only brings the same alert again, until "OK" is clicked for a fourth time.
>>>>> This could cause the site to appear (largely) unusable to less obstinate users (as well as more obstinate users who actually do not want cookies). In any case, the site is excessively painful to use if one does not agree to cookies.
>>>>
>>>> It appears this has finally been fixed. Nevertheless, I just watched a colleague click the Continue button trying to get rid of that without having checked the checkbox. In that scenario, the remark box disappears, but the site keeps complaining about cookie consent. So there's still a bug. Perhaps the Continue button can be disabled. Or could we save visitors a click and just have an "I accept" button?
>>>>
>>>>
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Dito.

So if it is already optional, shouldn't we deactivate the tick box on

  • .tiki.org ?


Regards
Torsten

PS
@Gary: +/-1 ? :-D


On 12/6/18 5:51 AM, Gary Cunningham-Lee wrote:
> Thanks, jonny. I've made a mental note to check feature options before
> adding a +/-1 on things ;-).
>
> — Gary
>
> On 12/6/2018 3:06 AM, Jonny Bradley wrote:
>>
>> The checkbox is optional, if you clear the text from the
>> cookie_consent_question pref ("Cookie consent question") then you
>> just get the "continue" or whatever button.
>>
>> As the help text there says:
>>
>>> Specific question next to the checkbox for agreement. Leave empty to
>>> not display a checkbox.
>>
>> Re the "can't click on anything without cookie consent - this must be
>> a regression or browser weirdness, the only thing i think that should
>> be prevented is logging in... which is exactly what happens on my
>> local 19.x - everything's ok until i click on the password in the
>> login popup.
>>
>> Maybe there's a config error or some borken javascript on tiki.org?
>>
>> jonny
>>
>> p.s. Re the checkbox legality, i believe that in the initial drafts
>> and implementation of the law (in the UK anyway) said specifically
>> that users has to acknowledge consent and then click continue, but i
>> think most people thought that was nonsense so it was diluted,
>> perhaps only in usage if not the strict letter of the law.
>>
>> p.p.s. I did see an option on a site recently that offered the choice
>> of only bothering EU located users with this rubbish, which i thought
>> was a nice touch, but we'd need a F/LOSS IP to country lookup service
>> for that.
>>
>>
>>> On 5 Dec 2018, at 16:37, Gary Cunningham-Lee
>>> <gary_c@cunningham-lee.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> +1 to getting rid of the checkbox and having a simple statement that
>>> using the site means agreeing to the use of cookies, and maybe this
>>> is where the link to the privacy policy should be. I agree with
>>> Torsten that the simple cookie-use statement is almost always used
>>> rather than a checkbox.
>>>
>>> — Gary
>>>
>>> On 12/6/2018 1:12 AM, Torsten Fabricius wrote:
>>>> Hi @all,
>>>> is the tick-box necessary at all, I mean by law?
>>>> The cookie consents are growing all over the place and nearly
>>>> nowhere they are with tickbox.
>>>> Maybe we could make the double-consent at least optional?
>>>> Is it possible in Tiki to use the website non-logged-in without
>>>> consent and thus not use the data tracking codes like Piwik/Matomo
>>>> etcetera?
>>>> Afaik from GDPR it is less necessary to ask for a double consent
>>>> (tickbox+Ok instead only Ok), but much more necesary to let people
>>>> use the site without data-tracking instead of forcing them to
>>>> accept or to leave.
>>>> Just some unformed thoughts to cookie cosent.
>>>> What's your opinion?
>>>> Regards
>>>> Torsten
>>>> On 12/5/18 5:04 PM, Cloutier, Philippe (DGARI-Consultant) wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>> De : Cloutier, Philippe (DGARI-Consultant)
>>>>>> Envoyé : 1 mars 2018 10:54
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> On https://tiki.org/tiki-index.php I see this box at the top:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This site would like to place cookies on your computer to help us
>>>>>> make it better. To find out more about the cookies, see our
>>>>>> Privacy Policy. Be also aware that upon registering the data you
>>>>>> entered will be saved on our server. If you do not want this, do
>>>>>> not register.
>>>>>> I accept cookies from this site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I click anywhere other than on the checkbox (for example, on "
>>>>>> I accept cookies from this site."), I get a JavaScript alert
>>>>>> which reads "Sorry, cookie consent required". The only button
>>>>>> offered is "OK", and clicking it only brings the same alert
>>>>>> again, until "OK" is clicked for a fourth time.
>>>>>> This could cause the site to appear (largely) unusable to less
>>>>>> obstinate users (as well as more obstinate users who actually do
>>>>>> not want cookies). In any case, the site is excessively painful
>>>>>> to use if one does not agree to cookies.
>>>>>
>>>>> It appears this has finally been fixed. Nevertheless, I just
>>>>> watched a colleague click the Continue button trying to get rid of
>>>>> that without having checked the checkbox. In that scenario, the
>>>>> remark box disappears, but the site keeps complaining about cookie
>>>>> consent. So there's still a bug. Perhaps the Continue button can
>>>>> be disabled. Or could we save visitors a click and just have an "I
>>>>> accept" button?
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Hi,

On 12/6/2018 8:43 PM, Torsten Fabricius wrote:
> Dito.
>
> So if it is already optional, shouldn't we deactivate the tick box on
> *.tiki.org ?
>
> Regards
> Torsten
>
> PS
> @Gary: +/-1 ? :-D

I wrote +1 / -1 without spaces and it got converted to the plus-or-minus
character (maybe not in all email clients?) - not what I intended but
kind of neat.

-- Gary


>
>
> On 12/6/18 5:51 AM, Gary Cunningham-Lee wrote:
>> Thanks, jonny. I've made a mental note to check feature options before
>> adding a +/-1 on things ;-).
>>
>> — Gary
>>
>> On 12/6/2018 3:06 AM, Jonny Bradley wrote:
>>>
>>> The checkbox is optional, if you clear the text from the
>>> cookie_consent_question pref ("Cookie consent question") then you
>>> just get the "continue" or whatever button.
>>>
>>> As the help text there says:
>>>
>>>> Specific question next to the checkbox for agreement. Leave empty to
>>>> not display a checkbox.
>>>
>>> Re the "can't click on anything without cookie consent - this must be
>>> a regression or browser weirdness, the only thing i think that should
>>> be prevented is logging in... which is exactly what happens on my
>>> local 19.x - everything's ok until i click on the password in the
>>> login popup.
>>>
>>> Maybe there's a config error or some borken javascript on tiki.org?
>>>
>>> jonny
>>>
>>> p.s. Re the checkbox legality, i believe that in the initial drafts
>>> and implementation of the law (in the UK anyway) said specifically
>>> that users has to acknowledge consent and then click continue, but i
>>> think most people thought that was nonsense so it was diluted,
>>> perhaps only in usage if not the strict letter of the law.
>>>
>>> p.p.s. I did see an option on a site recently that offered the choice
>>> of only bothering EU located users with this rubbish, which i thought
>>> was a nice touch, but we'd need a F/LOSS IP to country lookup service
>>> for that.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 5 Dec 2018, at 16:37, Gary Cunningham-Lee
>>>> <gary_c@cunningham-lee.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> +1 to getting rid of the checkbox and having a simple statement that
>>>> using the site means agreeing to the use of cookies, and maybe this
>>>> is where the link to the privacy policy should be. I agree with
>>>> Torsten that the simple cookie-use statement is almost always used
>>>> rather than a checkbox.
>>>>
>>>> — Gary
>>>>
>>>> On 12/6/2018 1:12 AM, Torsten Fabricius wrote:
>>>>> Hi @all,
>>>>> is the tick-box necessary at all, I mean by law?
>>>>> The cookie consents are growing all over the place and nearly
>>>>> nowhere they are with tickbox.
>>>>> Maybe we could make the double-consent at least optional?
>>>>> Is it possible in Tiki to use the website non-logged-in without
>>>>> consent and thus not use the data tracking codes like Piwik/Matomo
>>>>> etcetera?
>>>>> Afaik from GDPR it is less necessary to ask for a double consent
>>>>> (tickbox+Ok instead only Ok), but much more necesary to let people
>>>>> use the site without data-tracking instead of forcing them to
>>>>> accept or to leave.
>>>>> Just some unformed thoughts to cookie cosent.
>>>>> What's your opinion?
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Torsten
>>>>> On 12/5/18 5:04 PM, Cloutier, Philippe (DGARI-Consultant) wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> De : Cloutier, Philippe (DGARI-Consultant)
>>>>>>> Envoyé : 1 mars 2018 10:54
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> On https://tiki.org/tiki-index.php I see this box at the top:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This site would like to place cookies on your computer to help us
>>>>>>> make it better. To find out more about the cookies, see our
>>>>>>> Privacy Policy. Be also aware that upon registering the data you
>>>>>>> entered will be saved on our server. If you do not want this, do
>>>>>>> not register.
>>>>>>> I accept cookies from this site.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I click anywhere other than on the checkbox (for example, on "
>>>>>>> I accept cookies from this site."), I get a JavaScript alert
>>>>>>> which reads "Sorry, cookie consent required". The only button
>>>>>>> offered is "OK", and clicking it only brings the same alert
>>>>>>> again, until "OK" is clicked for a fourth time.
>>>>>>> This could cause the site to appear (largely) unusable to less
>>>>>>> obstinate users (as well as more obstinate users who actually do
>>>>>>> not want cookies). In any case, the site is excessively painful
>>>>>>> to use if one does not agree to cookies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It appears this has finally been fixed. Nevertheless, I just
>>>>>> watched a colleague click the Continue button trying to get rid of
>>>>>> that without having checked the checkbox. In that scenario, the
>>>>>> remark box disappears, but the site keeps complaining about cookie
>>>>>> consent. So there's still a bug. Perhaps the Continue button can
>>>>>> be disabled. Or could we save visitors a click and just have an "I
>>>>>> accept" button?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Sadly this did not work 100% times in every browser if you leave it
empty. It just showed the empty JS alert/dialog 4 times with OK button
as Chealer complained before...

luci


On 05.12.2018 19:06, Jonny Bradley wrote:
> The checkbox is optional, if you clear the text from the cookie_consent_question pref ("Cookie consent question") then you just get the "continue" or whatever button.
>
> As the help text there says:
>
>> Specific question next to the checkbox for agreement. Leave empty to not display a checkbox.
> Re the "can't click on anything without cookie consent - this must be a regression or browser weirdness, the only thing i think that should be prevented is logging in... which is exactly what happens on my local 19.x - everything's ok until i click on the password in the login popup.
>
> Maybe there's a config error or some borken javascript on tiki.org?
>
> jonny
>
> p.s. Re the checkbox legality, i believe that in the initial drafts and implementation of the law (in the UK anyway) said specifically that users has to acknowledge consent and then click continue, but i think most people thought that was nonsense so it was diluted, perhaps only in usage if not the strict letter of the law.
>
> p.p.s. I did see an option on a site recently that offered the choice of only bothering EU located users with this rubbish, which i thought was a nice touch, but we'd need a F/LOSS IP to country lookup service for that.
>
>
>> On 5 Dec 2018, at 16:37, Gary Cunningham-Lee <gary_c@cunningham-lee.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> +1 to getting rid of the checkbox and having a simple statement that using the site means agreeing to the use of cookies, and maybe this is where the link to the privacy policy should be. I agree with Torsten that the simple cookie-use statement is almost always used rather than a checkbox.
>>
>> — Gary
>>
>> On 12/6/2018 1:12 AM, Torsten Fabricius wrote:
>>> Hi @all,
>>> is the tick-box necessary at all, I mean by law?
>>> The cookie consents are growing all over the place and nearly nowhere they are with tickbox.
>>> Maybe we could make the double-consent at least optional?
>>> Is it possible in Tiki to use the website non-logged-in without consent and thus not use the data tracking codes like Piwik/Matomo etcetera?
>>> Afaik from GDPR it is less necessary to ask for a double consent (tickbox+Ok instead only Ok), but much more necesary to let people use the site without data-tracking instead of forcing them to accept or to leave.
>>> Just some unformed thoughts to cookie cosent.
>>> What's your opinion?
>>> Regards
>>> Torsten
>>> On 12/5/18 5:04 PM, Cloutier, Philippe (DGARI-Consultant) wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>> De : Cloutier, Philippe (DGARI-Consultant)
>>>>> Envoyé : 1 mars 2018 10:54
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> On https://tiki.org/tiki-index.php I see this box at the top:
>>>>>
>>>>> This site would like to place cookies on your computer to help us make it better. To find out more about the cookies, see our Privacy Policy. Be also aware that upon registering the data you entered will be saved on our server. If you do not want this, do not register.
>>>>> I accept cookies from this site.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If I click anywhere other than on the checkbox (for example, on " I accept cookies from this site."), I get a JavaScript alert which reads "Sorry, cookie consent required". The only button offered is "OK", and clicking it only brings the same alert again, until "OK" is clicked for a fourth time.
>>>>> This could cause the site to appear (largely) unusable to less obstinate users (as well as more obstinate users who actually do not want cookies). In any case, the site is excessively painful to use if one does not agree to cookies.
>>>> It appears this has finally been fixed. Nevertheless, I just watched a colleague click the Continue button trying to get rid of that without having checked the checkbox. In that scenario, the remark box disappears, but the site keeps complaining about cookie consent. So there's still a bug. Perhaps the Continue button can be disabled. Or could we save visitors a click and just have an "I accept" button?
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Ah, you mean the different text! Sorry, confused it with the JS alert
box text.

luci


On 06.12.2018 7:59, luciash wrote:
> Sadly this did not work 100% times in every browser if you leave it
> empty. It just showed the empty JS alert/dialog 4 times with OK button
> as Chealer complained before...
>
> luci
>
>
> On 05.12.2018 19:06, Jonny Bradley wrote:
>> The checkbox is optional, if you clear the text from the
>> cookie_consent_question pref ("Cookie consent question") then you
>> just get the "continue" or whatever button.
>>
>> As the help text there says:
>>
>>> Specific question next to the checkbox for agreement. Leave empty to
>>> not display a checkbox.
>> Re the "can't click on anything without cookie consent - this must be
>> a regression or browser weirdness, the only thing i think that should
>> be prevented is logging in... which is exactly what happens on my
>> local 19.x - everything's ok until i click on the password in the
>> login popup.
>>
>> Maybe there's a config error or some borken javascript on tiki.org?
>>
>> jonny
>>
>> p.s. Re the checkbox legality, i believe that in the initial drafts
>> and implementation of the law (in the UK anyway) said specifically
>> that users has to acknowledge consent and then click continue, but i
>> think most people thought that was nonsense so it was diluted,
>> perhaps only in usage if not the strict letter of the law.
>>
>> p.p.s. I did see an option on a site recently that offered the choice
>> of only bothering EU located users with this rubbish, which i thought
>> was a nice touch, but we'd need a F/LOSS IP to country lookup service
>> for that.
>>
>>
>>> On 5 Dec 2018, at 16:37, Gary Cunningham-Lee
>>> <gary_c@cunningham-lee.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> +1 to getting rid of the checkbox and having a simple statement that
>>> using the site means agreeing to the use of cookies, and maybe this
>>> is where the link to the privacy policy should be. I agree with
>>> Torsten that the simple cookie-use statement is almost always used
>>> rather than a checkbox.
>>>
>>> — Gary
>>>
>>> On 12/6/2018 1:12 AM, Torsten Fabricius wrote:
>>>> Hi @all,
>>>> is the tick-box necessary at all, I mean by law?
>>>> The cookie consents are growing all over the place and nearly
>>>> nowhere they are with tickbox.
>>>> Maybe we could make the double-consent at least optional?
>>>> Is it possible in Tiki to use the website non-logged-in without
>>>> consent and thus not use the data tracking codes like Piwik/Matomo
>>>> etcetera?
>>>> Afaik from GDPR it is less necessary to ask for a double consent
>>>> (tickbox+Ok instead only Ok), but much more necesary to let people
>>>> use the site without data-tracking instead of forcing them to
>>>> accept or to leave.
>>>> Just some unformed thoughts to cookie cosent.
>>>> What's your opinion?
>>>> Regards
>>>> Torsten
>>>> On 12/5/18 5:04 PM, Cloutier, Philippe (DGARI-Consultant) wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>> De : Cloutier, Philippe (DGARI-Consultant)
>>>>>> Envoyé : 1 mars 2018 10:54
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> On https://tiki.org/tiki-index.php I see this box at the top:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This site would like to place cookies on your computer to help us
>>>>>> make it better. To find out more about the cookies, see our
>>>>>> Privacy Policy. Be also aware that upon registering the data you
>>>>>> entered will be saved on our server. If you do not want this, do
>>>>>> not register.
>>>>>> I accept cookies from this site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I click anywhere other than on the checkbox (for example, on "
>>>>>> I accept cookies from this site."), I get a JavaScript alert
>>>>>> which reads "Sorry, cookie consent required". The only button
>>>>>> offered is "OK", and clicking it only brings the same alert
>>>>>> again, until "OK" is clicked for a fourth time.
>>>>>> This could cause the site to appear (largely) unusable to less
>>>>>> obstinate users (as well as more obstinate users who actually do
>>>>>> not want cookies). In any case, the site is excessively painful
>>>>>> to use if one does not agree to cookies.
>>>>> It appears this has finally been fixed. Nevertheless, I just
>>>>> watched a colleague click the Continue button trying to get rid of
>>>>> that without having checked the checkbox. In that scenario, the
>>>>> remark box disappears, but the site keeps complaining about cookie
>>>>> consent. So there's still a bug. Perhaps the Continue button can
>>>>> be disabled. Or could we save visitors a click and just have an "I
>>>>> accept" button?
>>>>>
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Ah, someone must have set cookie_consent_alert to an empty string hoping that would disable it, indeed.

>De : luciash mailto:luci@tiki.org
>Envoyé : 6 décembre 2018 06:46
>
>Ah, you mean the different text! Sorry, confused it with the JS alert box text.
>
>luci
>
>
>On 06.12.2018 7:59, luciash wrote:
>> Sadly this did not work 100% times in every browser if you leave it
>> empty. It just showed the empty JS alert/dialog 4 times with OK button
>> as Chealer complained before...
>>
>> luci
>>
>>
>> On 05.12.2018 19:06, Jonny Bradley wrote:
>>> The checkbox is optional, if you clear the text from the
>>> cookie_consent_question pref ("Cookie consent question") then you
>>> just get the "continue" or whatever button.
>>>
>>> As the help text there says:
>>>
>>>> Specific question next to the checkbox for agreement. Leave empty to
>>>> not display a checkbox.
>>> Re the "can't click on anything without cookie consent - this must be
>>> a regression or browser weirdness, the only thing i think that should
>>> be prevented is logging in... which is exactly what happens on my
>>> local 19.x - everything's ok until i click on the password in the
>>> login popup.
>>>
>>> Maybe there's a config error or some borken javascript on tiki.org?
>>>
>>> jonny
>>>
>>> p.s. Re the checkbox legality, i believe that in the initial drafts
>>> and implementation of the law (in the UK anyway) said specifically
>>> that users has to acknowledge consent and then click continue, but i
>>> think most people thought that was nonsense so it was diluted,
>>> perhaps only in usage if not the strict letter of the law.
>>>
>>> p.p.s. I did see an option on a site recently that offered the choice
>>> of only bothering EU located users with this rubbish, which i thought
>>> was a nice touch, but we'd need a F/LOSS IP to country lookup service
>>> for that.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 5 Dec 2018, at 16:37, Gary Cunningham-Lee
>>>> <gary_c@cunningham-lee.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> +1 to getting rid of the checkbox and having a simple statement that
>>>> using the site means agreeing to the use of cookies, and maybe this
>>>> is where the link to the privacy policy should be. I agree with
>>>> Torsten that the simple cookie-use statement is almost always used
>>>> rather than a checkbox.
>>>>
>>>> — Gary
>>>>
>>>> On 12/6/2018 1:12 AM, Torsten Fabricius wrote:
>>>>> Hi @all,
>>>>> is the tick-box necessary at all, I mean by law?
>>>>> The cookie consents are growing all over the place and nearly
>>>>> nowhere they are with tickbox.
>>>>> Maybe we could make the double-consent at least optional?
>>>>> Is it possible in Tiki to use the website non-logged-in without
>>>>> consent and thus not use the data tracking codes like Piwik/Matomo
>>>>> etcetera?
>>>>> Afaik from GDPR it is less necessary to ask for a double consent
>>>>> (tickbox+Ok instead only Ok), but much more necesary to let people
>>>>> use the site without data-tracking instead of forcing them to
>>>>> accept or to leave.
>>>>> Just some unformed thoughts to cookie cosent.
>>>>> What's your opinion?
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Torsten
>>>>> On 12/5/18 5:04 PM, Cloutier, Philippe (DGARI-Consultant) wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> De : Cloutier, Philippe (DGARI-Consultant) Envoyé : 1 mars 2018
>>>>>>> 10:54
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> On https://tiki.org/tiki-index.php I see this box at the top:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This site would like to place cookies on your computer to help us
>>>>>>> make it better. To find out more about the cookies, see our
>>>>>>> Privacy Policy. Be also aware that upon registering the data you
>>>>>>> entered will be saved on our server. If you do not want this, do
>>>>>>> not register.
>>>>>>> I accept cookies from this site.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I click anywhere other than on the checkbox (for example, on "
>>>>>>> I accept cookies from this site."), I get a JavaScript alert
>>>>>>> which reads "Sorry, cookie consent required". The only button
>>>>>>> offered is "OK", and clicking it only brings the same alert
>>>>>>> again, until "OK" is clicked for a fourth time.
>>>>>>> This could cause the site to appear (largely) unusable to less
>>>>>>> obstinate users (as well as more obstinate users who actually do
>>>>>>> not want cookies). In any case, the site is excessively painful
>>>>>>> to use if one does not agree to cookies.
>>>>>> It appears this has finally been fixed. Nevertheless, I just
>>>>>> watched a colleague click the Continue button trying to get rid of
>>>>>> that without having checked the checkbox. In that scenario, the
>>>>>> remark box disappears, but the site keeps complaining about cookie
>>>>>> consent. So there's still a bug. Perhaps the Continue button can
>>>>>> be disabled. Or could we save visitors a click and just have an "I
>>>>>> accept" button?

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