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Tiki Consultants page "cards" update

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Hello devs,

It's been a while this as been started and I will start working on this mid January.
Look like who had something to say did it but in case you need to be in 2019 ;), feel free to add your input on : https://dev.tiki.org/Tiki-Consultants-page-and-data-revamp

Bernard

> On 24 Dec 2018, at 09:39 , Bsfez Tiki <bsfez@tiki.org> wrote:
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> Thanks for keeping the ball rolling.
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> Short answer: It may start to be a long debate so as short answer I suggest devs/users join the next Tiki Roundtable Meeting (https://tiki.org/Roundtable-Meeting-2019-01 <https://tiki.org/Roundtable-Meeting-2019-01>).
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> Long Answer:
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> !!Who
> There are some issue with Tiki Consultants that are affecting the project so we should be also thinking about that aspect.
> Without getting into details having a page with 10 consultants (a few) may be a concern for someone (individual or organism) that is looking for its next webapp while having thousands of incomplete cards and wrong information (dead email) is also damaging.
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> So without being too restrictive we should show active people that may help someone else.
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> If we had good information about Tiki installation and live projects we could display that information with huge numbers (we know it exist but we don't record any data on install so it is theoretical).
> We could then have a page of selected Tiki Consultants with less people but top only active and updated cards.
> Then displaying Tiki volunteers (people volunteering in the Tiki project without making it a living) would be just a question of work (doing the page + tracker modif + collecting data => commit and ≠ tiki consultant)
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> !!How
> Another issue is that concerning all our interfaces we need to think more like users than coders. (mobile first)
> It is a trend that page should be short, that we should have a minimum of clicks, that it should use tags, icons… Easy to read and fast to upload
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> In this I agree with you Gary that reducing the information on the card is good but it should still be usable.
> Unlimited text (while it is the actual) without space or graphics to give some movement and colors is not the way.
> That's why we need use icons, colors, tags, etc that reduce the need of a full sentence while being able to give basic informations.
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> So as user if I'm looking for help to create a well designed Tiki or E-Commerce or need someone to manage the install and hosting or need an knowledge documentation website or…(you name it) I would need to be able to find quickly the information I need.
> (not limited to those criteria - see next point)
> Looking at a list, then click to read a page (that may show that the consultant is not specialized or not doing in what I need) then go back to the list look and so on is something from the past.
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> While reading to the page the "visitor" should be able in a look to start filtering with at least enough information to explore a smaller chunk of the Tiki Consultants (only the relevants).
> Then of course if I need details I have plenty options; to the trackeritem (exist already) to the userpage (not enforced but everyone can put a link in its description or use the website field) or the website (exist already) or getting the email (exist already).
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> !!What
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> What information should be displayed right away could be divided in three:
> - What is good for the user
> - What is good for the consultant
> - What is good (:-))
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> !!!For the user any information that help him to select the right consultants (or filtering); Things like activity in the community, skills, language spoken, location, success story or project activity and a way to communicate are important in my opinion.
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> !!!For the consultant it is important to promote himself, to display much he can do while not being contacted for things he don't provide; Name, skills, advertising short speech and convincing elements ( project activity) with a way to be contacted look to me a must.
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> Those things (not limited to what I wrote) can be placed on the front (cards) or can be discovered during exploration (userpage or website) but we should ease in the workflow so the "visitor" doesn't have to check dozens of pages before he find what he need or run out of patience and leave.
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> !!! What is good
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> There are things that are just good for the way it look or the trust it can cast.
> Things like a picture (non essential for the user and the Tiki consultant) make the information look trusty and nice.
> A nice design while not essential give over all a good image of Tiki and help with clarity to read quickly the information.
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> While I have no real issues with having or not facebook or other tags on the card or in the inner (userpage, website), displaying those Social Network stuff is kind of the same in my opinion than the picture.
> It make the design nicer and trusty (not only text but well recognised icons), giving the feeling that the guy behind the link is real and is active.
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> I may be influenced by some "standards" about profile on the internet (especially with the bootstrap era) but do we need to be different and try to avoid what most are doing ? ;-)
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> Hope to see you participating to this discussion for our next and first TRM of the year.
> Bernard
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>> On 23 Dec 2018, at 23:22 , Jean-Marc Libs <jeanmarc.libs@gmail.com <mailto:jeanmarc.libs@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> Hello,
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>> I appreciate the idea of modernizing and having cards.
>>
>> I wonder about having lists of single-competence fields as opposed to free form textareas.
>>
>> It seems like a lot of work to select and to maintain afterwards. New skills are bound to appear later, some of these will be considered obsolete by some… Plus, I'm not sure they have a lot of meaning from most customers' view point. They would be more interested in "hosting", "development", "design" than "apache"/"nginx" or "Clearos". As long as it's reliably online, most people are happy to not know the details. As was already mentioned, social networks rise and die…
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>> I'd rather let individual consultants describe what they are good at (in whichever language is relevant to the customers they aim for) in a short decription or in their users page.
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>> So… Mostly what we already have, only in cards instead of a long list.
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>> Improvement idea: have the link to the user page as an external link, so people can easily open them in many tabs for comparison purposes.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jyhem
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>> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 4:54 PM Bsfez Tiki <bsfez@tiki.org <mailto:bsfez@tiki.org>> wrote:
>> Hello Tikiers,
>>
>> With the last Tiki19 update our consultants page look… naked ? :-D :-D :-D
>> https://tiki.org/consultants <https://tiki.org/consultants>
>>
>> I intend to work on it and to modernise it (fluid cards bootstrap4).
>> I would like also to add some fields for the Consultants;
>>
>> a) Social Network
>> Facebook link, Twitter link, Google+, Linkedin…
>> Are Pinterest or instagram relevant ?
>> Others ?
>>
>> b) Communication
>> - Skype, Telegram
>> Others ?
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>> c) Skills (please help to fill the list (!):
>> Javascript
>> JQuery
>> HTML5
>> CSS3
>> Bootstrap4
>> PHP
>> MySQL
>> Database Design
>> Web Design
>> Apache
>> Nginx
>> ClearOS
>> AWS (cloud ?)
>> WikiSuite
>> Integration
>> Video
>> Audio
>> Streaming
>> E-Commerce
>> Social Media
>> Copywriting
>> E-Learning
>> Tortoise SVN
>> Training
>> Multilinguale
>> Project Management
>> Content Development
>>
>> Opinions about other things to add are welcomed.
>>
>> Bernard
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