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Tiki sitemap feature and _htaccess

posts: 7816 Israel

Hello,

I set and tested Tiki site map feature.

While checking here and there I found this in _htaccess:

# -- Plain Text Sitemap SEO -- #
# Makes a short link to a list of objects to export as a plain text sitemap.
# Set the parentId (here set as 2) to the id of a category containing the objects you wish to be
# crawled by search engines.

#RewriteRule
sitemap.txt$ tiki-browse_categories.php?find=&deep=on&type=wiki+page&parentId=2&sort_mode=name_asc&links&maxRecords=1000000 L


Is it obsolete now and should be removed or should it be changed for:

  1. RewriteRule
sitemap.txt$ /storage/public/sitemap-index.xml


Bernard
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posts: 84316 Canada

Should be updated.

Hmm. Perhaps even enabled by default. If one generates a sitemap I can't see why one would want to hide it, and it's placed in an identifiable place in a public folder already, so not private at all. If a sitemap does not exist it will still generate the same 404 error regardless.

So I can't see why it should not be enabled by default.

Brendan

> On Jul 3, 2018, at 10:14 PM, Bsfez Tiki <bsfez@tiki.org> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I set and tested Tiki site map feature.
>
> While checking here and there I found this in _htaccess:
>
> # -- Plain Text Sitemap SEO -- #
> # Makes a short link to a list of objects to export as a plain text sitemap.
> # Set the parentId (here set as 2) to the id of a category containing the objects you wish to be
> # crawled by search engines.

> #RewriteRule
sitemap.txt$ tiki-browse_categories.php?find=&deep=on&type=wiki+page&parentId=2&sort_mode=name_asc&links&maxRecords=1000000 L

>
> Is it obsolete now and should be removed or should it be changed for:

> #RewriteRule
sitemap.txt$ /storage/public/sitemap-index.xml

>
> Bernard
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posts: 7816 Israel

Brendan,

You suggest replacing in trunk in _htaccess:
# Makes a short link to a list of objects to export as a plain text sitemap.
# Set the parentId (here set as 2) to the id of a category containing the objects you wish to be
# crawled by search engines.

#RewriteRule
sitemap.txt$ tiki-browse_categories.php?find=&deep=on&type=wiki+page&parentId=2&sort_mode=name_asc&links&maxRecords=1000000 L


for:

#RewriteRule
sitemap.txt$ /storage/public/sitemap-index.xml


or even (enable by default):

RewriteRule
sitemap.txt$ /storage/public/sitemap-index.xml


Any other thoughts ?

Bernard



> On 3 Jul 2018, at 19:40 , Dr. Sassafras <drsassafras@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Should be updated.
>
> Hmm. Perhaps even enabled by default. If one generates a sitemap I can't see why one would want to hide it, and it's placed in an identifiable place in a public folder already, so not private at all. If a sitemap does not exist it will still generate the same 404 error regardless.
>
> So I can't see why it should not be enabled by default.
>
> Brendan
>
>> On Jul 3, 2018, at 10:14 PM, Bsfez Tiki <bsfez@tiki.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I set and tested Tiki site map feature.
>>
>> While checking here and there I found this in _htaccess:
>>
>> # -- Plain Text Sitemap SEO -- #
>> # Makes a short link to a list of objects to export as a plain text sitemap.
>> # Set the parentId (here set as 2) to the id of a category containing the objects you wish to be
>> # crawled by search engines.

>> #RewriteRule
sitemap.txt$ tiki-browse_categories.php?find=&deep=on&type=wiki+page&parentId=2&sort_mode=name_asc&links&maxRecords=1000000 L

>>
>> Is it obsolete now and should be removed or should it be changed for:
>> #RewriteRule ^sitemap.txt$ /storage/public/sitemap-index.xml
>>
>> Bernard
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Hi B & B

I think i would leave that category browse example but change the wording and point to the new sitemap feature, as you can control what goes in a category but the sitemap will contain everything public.

Also i think the new rewrite rule should probably be

> #RewriteRule
sitemap.xml$ /storage/public/sitemap-index.xml
^


(i would leave it commented out as that would give search engines a 404 not found on new installs otherwise)

jonny




> On 10 Jul 2018, at 13:47, Bsfez Tiki <bsfez@tiki.org> wrote:
>
> Brendan,
>
> You suggest replacing in trunk in _htaccess:
> # Makes a short link to a list of objects to export as a plain text sitemap.
> # Set the parentId (here set as 2) to the id of a category containing the objects you wish to be
> # crawled by search engines.

> #RewriteRule
sitemap.txt$ tiki-browse_categories.php?find=&deep=on&type=wiki+page&parentId=2&sort_mode=name_asc&links&maxRecords=1000000 L

>
> for:

> #RewriteRule
sitemap.txt$ /storage/public/sitemap-index.xml

>
> or even (enable by default):

> RewriteRule
sitemap.txt$ /storage/public/sitemap-index.xml

>
> Any other thoughts ?
>
> Bernard
>
>
>
>> On 3 Jul 2018, at 19:40 , Dr. Sassafras <drsassafras@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Should be updated.
>>
>> Hmm. Perhaps even enabled by default. If one generates a sitemap I can't see why one would want to hide it, and it's placed in an identifiable place in a public folder already, so not private at all. If a sitemap does not exist it will still generate the same 404 error regardless.
>>
>> So I can't see why it should not be enabled by default.
>>
>> Brendan
>>
>>> On Jul 3, 2018, at 10:14 PM, Bsfez Tiki <bsfez@tiki.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I set and tested Tiki site map feature.
>>>
>>> While checking here and there I found this in _htaccess:
>>>
>>> # -- Plain Text Sitemap SEO -- #
>>> # Makes a short link to a list of objects to export as a plain text sitemap.
>>> # Set the parentId (here set as 2) to the id of a category containing the objects you wish to be
>>> # crawled by search engines.

>>> #RewriteRule
sitemap.txt$ tiki-browse_categories.php?find=&deep=on&type=wiki+page&parentId=2&sort_mode=name_asc&links&maxRecords=1000000 L

>>>
>>> Is it obsolete now and should be removed or should it be changed for:

>>> #RewriteRule
sitemap.txt$ /storage/public/sitemap-index.xml

>>>
>>> Bernard
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> (i would leave it commented out as that would give search engines a 404 not found on new installs otherwise)
>
I don't see how this is different from a search engine looking for the file and it not being there without a redirect. Isn't it a 404 returned when it looks there and finds nothing in both cases?

Brendan

> jonny
>
>
>
>
>> On 10 Jul 2018, at 13:47, Bsfez Tiki <bsfez@tiki.org> wrote:
>>
>> Brendan,
>>
>> You suggest replacing in trunk in _htaccess:
>> # Makes a short link to a list of objects to export as a plain text sitemap.
>> # Set the parentId (here set as 2) to the id of a category containing the objects you wish to be
>> # crawled by search engines.

>> #RewriteRule
sitemap.txt$ tiki-browse_categories.php?find=&deep=on&type=wiki+page&parentId=2&sort_mode=name_asc&links&maxRecords=1000000 L

>>
>> for:

>> #RewriteRule
sitemap.txt$ /storage/public/sitemap-index.xml

>>
>> or even (enable by default):

>> RewriteRule
sitemap.txt$ /storage/public/sitemap-index.xml

>>
>> Any other thoughts ?
>>
>> Bernard
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 3 Jul 2018, at 19:40 , Dr. Sassafras <drsassafras@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Should be updated.
>>>
>>> Hmm. Perhaps even enabled by default. If one generates a sitemap I can't see why one would want to hide it, and it's placed in an identifiable place in a public folder already, so not private at all. If a sitemap does not exist it will still generate the same 404 error regardless.
>>>
>>> So I can't see why it should not be enabled by default.
>>>
>>> Brendan
>>>
>>>> On Jul 3, 2018, at 10:14 PM, Bsfez Tiki <bsfez@tiki.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I set and tested Tiki site map feature.
>>>>
>>>> While checking here and there I found this in _htaccess:
>>>>
>>>> # -- Plain Text Sitemap SEO -- #
>>>> # Makes a short link to a list of objects to export as a plain text sitemap.
>>>> # Set the parentId (here set as 2) to the id of a category containing the objects you wish to be
>>>> # crawled by search engines.

>>>> #RewriteRule
sitemap.txt$ tiki-browse_categories.php?find=&deep=on&type=wiki+page&parentId=2&sort_mode=name_asc&links&maxRecords=1000000 L

>>>>
>>>> Is it obsolete now and should be removed or should it be changed for:
>>>> #RewriteRule ^sitemap.txt$ /storage/public/sitemap-index.xml
>>>>
>>>> Bernard
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posts: 84316 Canada

Hmm. There may be some flags that can optimize the htaccess a little. Like terminating rule evaluation. Can't recall what they are all off the top of my head. I have to review them when when I muck with htaccess.

I would be a +1 for it being enabled by default. I can't see any downsides and it will simplify the process a little. Perhaps make it less error prone while upgrading.

I've been avoiding route.php for a while but wonder if this is something that might be suited to that. Could perhaps get better server support that way. Anyhow. It's just a thought that may or may not work. In any case, it can't hurt to have it as a part of the htaccess. Migrating it to route.php later if it turns out that's better is still possible.

That's about all my thoughts on the matter.

Brendan

> On Jul 10, 2018, at 9:47 PM, Bsfez Tiki <bsfez@tiki.org> wrote:
>
> Brendan,
>
> You suggest replacing in trunk in _htaccess:
> # Makes a short link to a list of objects to export as a plain text sitemap.
> # Set the parentId (here set as 2) to the id of a category containing the objects you wish to be
> # crawled by search engines.

> #RewriteRule
sitemap.txt$ tiki-browse_categories.php?find=&deep=on&type=wiki+page&parentId=2&sort_mode=name_asc&links&maxRecords=1000000 L

>
> for:

> #RewriteRule
sitemap.txt$ /storage/public/sitemap-index.xml

>
> or even (enable by default):

> RewriteRule
sitemap.txt$ /storage/public/sitemap-index.xml

>
> Any other thoughts ?
>
> Bernard
>
>
>
>> On 3 Jul 2018, at 19:40 , Dr. Sassafras <drsassafras@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Should be updated.
>>
>> Hmm. Perhaps even enabled by default. If one generates a sitemap I can't see why one would want to hide it, and it's placed in an identifiable place in a public folder already, so not private at all. If a sitemap does not exist it will still generate the same 404 error regardless.
>>
>> So I can't see why it should not be enabled by default.
>>
>> Brendan
>>
>>> On Jul 3, 2018, at 10:14 PM, Bsfez Tiki <bsfez@tiki.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I set and tested Tiki site map feature.
>>>
>>> While checking here and there I found this in _htaccess:
>>>
>>> # -- Plain Text Sitemap SEO -- #
>>> # Makes a short link to a list of objects to export as a plain text sitemap.
>>> # Set the parentId (here set as 2) to the id of a category containing the objects you wish to be
>>> # crawled by search engines.

>>> #RewriteRule
sitemap.txt$ tiki-browse_categories.php?find=&deep=on&type=wiki+page&parentId=2&sort_mode=name_asc&links&maxRecords=1000000 L

>>>
>>> Is it obsolete now and should be removed or should it be changed for:
>>> #RewriteRule ^sitemap.txt$ /storage/public/sitemap-index.xml
>>>
>>> Bernard
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Hi Bernard,

I suppose the rewrite (if you want to change) should be to
"/tiki-sitemap.php?file=sitemap-index.xml" ( that will manage all the
relative paths and ensure all website is indexed).

Ricardo

On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Bsfez Tiki <bsfez@tiki.org> wrote:

> Brendan,
>
> You suggest replacing in trunk in _htaccess:
> # Makes a short link to a list of objects to export as a plain text
> sitemap.
> # Set the parentId (here set as 2) to the id of a category containing the
> objects you wish to be
> # crawled by search engines.

> #RewriteRule
sitemap.txt$ tiki-browse_categories.php?

> find=&deep=on&type=wiki+page&parentId=2&sort_mode=name_asc&links&maxRecords=1000000
> L
>
> for:

> #RewriteRule
sitemap.txt$ /storage/public/sitemap-index.xml

>
> or even (enable by default):

> RewriteRule
sitemap.txt$ /storage/public/sitemap-index.xml

>
> Any other thoughts ?
>
> Bernard
>
>
>
> > On 3 Jul 2018, at 19:40 , Dr. Sassafras <drsassafras@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Should be updated.
> >
> > Hmm. Perhaps even enabled by default. If one generates a sitemap I can't
> see why one would want to hide it, and it's placed in an identifiable place
> in a public folder already, so not private at all. If a sitemap does not
> exist it will still generate the same 404 error regardless.
> >
> > So I can't see why it should not be enabled by default.
> >
> > Brendan
> >
> >> On Jul 3, 2018, at 10:14 PM, Bsfez Tiki <bsfez@tiki.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I set and tested Tiki site map feature.
> >>
> >> While checking here and there I found this in _htaccess:
> >>
> >> # -- Plain Text Sitemap SEO -- #
> >> # Makes a short link to a list of objects to export as a plain text
> sitemap.
> >> # Set the parentId (here set as 2) to the id of a category containing
> the objects you wish to be
> >> # crawled by search engines.

> >> #RewriteRule
sitemap.txt$ tiki-browse_categories.php?

> find=&deep=on&type=wiki+page&parentId=2&sort_mode=name_asc&links&maxRecords=1000000
> L
> >>
> >> Is it obsolete now and should be removed or should it be changed for:
> >> #RewriteRule ^sitemap.txt$ /storage/public/sitemap-index.xml
> >>
> >> Bernard
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posts: 7816 Israel

What should be the final decision on this, we better implement in trunk (19) and if it help to correct behaviour in Tiki18 it would be nice to have it in the next 18 release (any time).

Bernard

> On 15 Jul 2018, at 21:11 , Ricardo Melo <rjsmelo@gmail.com <mailto:rjsmelo@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Bernard,
>
> I suppose the rewrite (if you want to change) should be to "/tiki-sitemap.php?file=sitemap-index.xml" ( that will manage all the relative paths and ensure all website is indexed).
>
> Ricardo
>
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Bsfez Tiki <bsfez@tiki.org <mailto:bsfez@tiki.org>> wrote:
> Brendan,
>
> You suggest replacing in trunk in _htaccess:
> # Makes a short link to a list of objects to export as a plain text sitemap.
> # Set the parentId (here set as 2) to the id of a category containing the objects you wish to be
> # crawled by search engines.

> #RewriteRule
sitemap.txt$ tiki-browse_categories.php?find=&deep=on&type=wiki+page&parentId=2&sort_mode=name_asc&links&maxRecords=1000000 L

>
> for:

> #RewriteRule
sitemap.txt$ /storage/public/sitemap-index.xml

>
> or even (enable by default):

> RewriteRule
sitemap.txt$ /storage/public/sitemap-index.xml

>
> Any other thoughts ?
>
> Bernard
>
>
>
> > On 3 Jul 2018, at 19:40 , Dr. Sassafras <drsassafras@gmail.com <mailto:drsassafras@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Should be updated.
> >
> > Hmm. Perhaps even enabled by default. If one generates a sitemap I can't see why one would want to hide it, and it's placed in an identifiable place in a public folder already, so not private at all. If a sitemap does not exist it will still generate the same 404 error regardless.
> >
> > So I can't see why it should not be enabled by default.
> >
> > Brendan
> >
> >> On Jul 3, 2018, at 10:14 PM, Bsfez Tiki <bsfez@tiki.org <mailto:bsfez@tiki.org>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I set and tested Tiki site map feature.
> >>
> >> While checking here and there I found this in _htaccess:
> >>
> >> # -- Plain Text Sitemap SEO -- #
> >> # Makes a short link to a list of objects to export as a plain text sitemap.
> >> # Set the parentId (here set as 2) to the id of a category containing the objects you wish to be
> >> # crawled by search engines.

> >> #RewriteRule
sitemap.txt$ tiki-browse_categories.php?find=&deep=on&type=wiki+page&parentId=2&sort_mode=name_asc&links&maxRecords=1000000 L

> >>
> >> Is it obsolete now and should be removed or should it be changed for:
> >> #RewriteRule ^sitemap.txt$ /storage/public/sitemap-index.xml
> >>
> >> Bernard
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