Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): Hello Bernard :)
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): I'll be back at 19h00 so recording start right in time, cu
Xavi (xavi): polom
Nelson (koth): polom
robertplummer: Gettings
anonymous: hello !
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): Whi is anonymous
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): ?
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): :)
anonymous: damn, Tiki logged me out in between :D
anonymous: brb
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): Hello everyone
Xavi (xavi): sylvie = sylvieg????
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): Hello Sylvie !
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Hello !
sylvie: hello - I have no microphone
luciash d' being (luci): hi again ! :)
Xavi (xavi): @sylvie: ohhhhhh :-) Nice to see/read you again!
robertplummer: Hey Luci! Been a while since I have seen you.
Xavi (xavi): hi luci, Gary, robert and all (btw)
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Hello Sylvie :)
robertplummer: Hi Xavi. JM, Sylvie.
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): polom everybody
robertplummer: hi torsten!
Xavi (xavi): there are still some listed here: http://dev.tiki.org/Tiki12#Blockers
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): https://dev.tiki.org/Tiki12
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): tks Xavi
Xavi (xavi): Jean MArc?
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): is there a way to make the presentation bigger?
luciash d' being (luci): "non-parsed tiki syntax is ignored" is marked as blocker ?
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): readable?
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): a button or so?
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): can't understand you
Xavi (xavi): +1 to remove item5172 from blockers
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): must restart
luciash d' being (luci): +1
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): must restart too
robertplummer: Is everyone restarting because of audio issues?
Nelson (koth): can you say something?
Xavi (xavi): and in fact, issues with wysiwyg loosing content: they are not affecting standard installs, isn't it?, so shouldn't be a blocker then? (item5164 , and the one related to tracker text areas with wysiwyg loosing content)
luciash d' being (luci): dogfood testing
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): Yes I had audio issues now better
Nelson (koth): http://tiki.org/TikiFestT13Alpha
Nelson (koth): http://tiki.org/TikiFestT13Alpha
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): item5172 is about losing content which was between  on upgrade to Tiki12, but since I seem to have been the only person to do that...
robertplummer: Luci, you kinda look like a James Bond villain.
robertplummer: just saying :P
luciash d' being (luci): robert: which one, lol :D
Xavi (xavi): hey, Gary, you wear glasses....
Xavi (xavi): Google glasses? ;-)
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): From everyone JM please
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): My laptop has small text size so these are reading glasses.
robertplummer: Luci: a good one.
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): jiamcatt.org
Nelson (koth): http://tiki.org/TikiFestT13Alpha#Schedule
Nelson (koth): http://tiki.org/TikiFestT13Alpha#Schedule
robertplummer: A good bad villain.
luciash d' being (luci): http://tiki.org/show:TikiFestT13Alpha#s12
Xavi (xavi): luci, did you notice our dog?
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): Unfortunatly it has been cancelled.
luciash d' being (luci): yeah !
luciash d' being (luci): xavi: :)
robertplummer: No way of upgrading?
Xavi (xavi): :-)
robertplummer: I'm a dog guy too Xavi.
Xavi (xavi): yes, I heard it :-)
robertplummer: upgrading I mean to 5.5 in php.
Xavi (xavi): and so is Gary, afair
robertplummer: Xavi, good, I had it aimed in your general direction.
robertplummer: :P
Xavi (xavi): :-D
luciash d' being (luci): :D
Xavi (xavi): Hey, Gary and friend!
luciash d' being (luci): two dogs here in da house but they are not allowed to participate in webinars ;-)
robertplummer: To be clear, this is wysiwyg CKEditor, correct?
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): I use wysiwyg
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): re polom
robertplummer: Hi Torsten.
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): you have cut your hair?
robertplummer: Me? I need one.
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): really? is short already
robertplummer: It is almost time to get it hacked off.
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): do not use an axe
luciash d' being (luci): Wysiwyg is luckily quite usable nowadays I would say, isn’t it ?
luciash d' being (luci): in 12 at least
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): luci: I still do not like it so much
robertplummer: luci, for things liek bold, sure.
robertplummer: luci, you start pushing it, and it breaks.
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): polom
Gavin Crenshaw (Jshauk): polom
Xavi (xavi): hi Jonny!
luciash d' being (luci): hmmm, maybe i do not push it too much ;-)
robertplummer: hi jonny
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): what time is the 10 o'clock meeting? (sorry, i'm late!)
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): luci: I hope for wikiLingo ... still in some alpha, but I see it growing and already have one usecase, where I prefer it
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): jonny: it is the 19:00 UTC meeting, but UK is usually one hour after us .. isn't it?
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): /me feel unlucky today with audio...
luciash d' being (luci): one of my clients complained about Wysiwyg converting to wiki syntax by default :-p so I had to switch it off so he could edit HTML in the Wysiwyg source view as he was used to - irony ...
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): /me aswell Bernard ... not really perfect ... different loudness per person
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): I do not get all
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): and I cannot read the schedule
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): (too small)
luciash d' being (luci): seems he did not make it
luciash d' being (luci): ah, jhe is here, as guest
Xavi (xavi): Gary?
luciash d' being (luci): i see
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): yes
Nelson (koth): Hi Gary too soft
luciash d' being (luci): hi Guest: gezza - no audio it seems
Xavi (xavi): fyi: https://doc.tiki.org/BigBlueButton
luciash d' being (luci): nice it works :)
Xavi (xavi): old doc (bbb 0.80, but worth reading at least once those of you who are not used to bbb :-)
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): +1 for that
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): lacking today - flying in and out
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): sorry
luciash d' being (luci): what means "chrome" ?
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): gary: document bigger please?
luciash d' being (luci): +1
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): +1 for tiki.css
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): +1
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): are the bootswatch themes options right now? I do not like so much as options
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): /me likes Robert's t-shirt
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): can you read what it say ?
Xavi (xavi): /me likes it also :-)
luciash d' being (luci): yes, options
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): ha ha ha
Xavi (xavi): ok, I like your t-shirt, Torsten, too :-)
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): :-D thx
luciash d' being (luci): column switching should work at least
luciash d' being (luci): also full fluid width (as opposed to fixed width) would be nice, but i can override, if not there, not big issue
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): fun is the whole point, hurrah! :)
luciash d' being (luci): who ?
luciash d' being (luci): not me
Bernard TREMBLAY (Trebly): My first webinar, Hi,
luciash d' being (luci): Hi Trebly, you are welcome :)
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): hi Trebly
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): sure Bernard T.? welcome
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): Thank you Gary
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): ahh I see you first time :-)
luciash d' being (luci): Trebly: are you talking about max-widths ?
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): say it again?
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): luci,
luciash d' being (luci): I think in Bootstrap it is done fixed width too but using some predefined grids
luciash d' being (luci): yes
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): fixed-width style bad managed up to 12?
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): fluid width is possible by just defining the container div as 100%.
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): .container is bootstrap's "fixed-width" div.
luciash d' being (luci): i do not see a problem here, I think we do not have problem here in Tiki 12 nor in 13
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): dev.tiki.org
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): content template?
luciash d' being (luci): Gary: even with the bootstrap grids defined ? they change to percentual ?
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): agenda? (sorry)
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): luci / gary: grid always relative? just .container fixed and done?
Xavi (xavi): Trebly: "Commit early, commit often". I'm afraid you have too many things in your custom branch, that could be too diverged from current trunk
luciash d' being (luci): +1, put it on a wiki page Trebly please, thanks
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): I'm also waiting for this page and an experimental branch
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): The grid divs are always percentages.
Xavi (xavi): I wish you could get close to trunk again
luciash d' being (luci): Gary: ah, thanks, did not know that (me ashamed)
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): heh, no worries.
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): when we have an expermimental branch, i can make a demo on demo.to//showcases_and_experiments/
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): luci / gary ... that is how I understand bootstrap - and no need to make anything fixed below .container
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): but so far, I can only wait
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): please Bernard Trebly: wikipage on dev.tiki.org + experimental branch
luciash d' being (luci): u can upload the page again in the prezentation window ?
Bernard TREMBLAY (Trebly): I listen now
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Wonderful sound quality ^^
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): wow, yes
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): he has some equipment
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): +1
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): that was short
luciash d' being (luci): +1 for not breaking the content :)
luciash d' being (luci): this is XHTML :)
luciash d' being (luci): IIRC there was FANCYLIST plugin now gone in wikiLingo replaced by simple ordered list sytnax
luciash d' being (luci): anyway, not important, go on
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): +1 Robert touch screen text editor !
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): :)
Nelson (koth): Touch screen text editor :)
luciash d' being (luci): what you touch is what you get ?
luciash d' being (luci): :-p
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): :D
luciash d' being (luci): my precious tabs
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): :)
luciash d' being (luci): btw, &cookietab=2 does not work in trunk anymore
Nelson (koth): hmm, ok -one for next week :)
luciash d' being (luci): what do u use for these unit tests ?
Gavin Crenshaw (Jshauk): he used testify for the unit tests i think
luciash d' being (luci): tks
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): +1 for "good to have brought wikiLingo to 13"!!!
Xavi (xavi): +1 (congrats Robert)
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): clap clap...
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): should I quickly show a usecase, where I use wikiLingo!
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): ?
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): if very short ?
Xavi (xavi): Torsten, maybe not now, maybe at the end if there is time left?
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): Xavi ?
Xavi (xavi): Jonny wanted to do a short demo of surveys in tiki13, and he seems to be in a hurry?
luciash d' being (luci): i just want to say it is full of potential and looks great - we just need to settle it down and remove redundant libs if possible (wikilingo/codemirror ?) and simplify
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): Xavi, no problem .... I can at any time, just have to do some stuff - Xavi, let's say it so: if I get disconnected and did not realise, please you or Robert ring me on skype and I instantly come back in
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): Xavi, have made a little newsletter based mailing tool for a conference and use pre-13 and wikiLingo
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): I've got Git installed, thanks to Nelson and Patrick's project, but that doesn't seem to be recognized by Composer unless there's more glue stuff that has to happen.
Xavi (xavi): sounds nice! :-)
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): ok, i have to go (sorry) - TikiLove to all, will try and get back before the end, if not next time, irc, dev list etc etc
Xavi (xavi): ok, thks jonny
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): Thanks for dropping by , Jonny.
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): Love Jonny
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): p.s. Nelson, can you do the survey mini-demo? ta!
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Thanks Jonny, sorry you don't stay for next question :(
Xavi (xavi): Torsten, then, maybe the right time is now for your demo, if the moderator is fine with it?
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): tks jonny
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): Torsteen, we are going over the second hour now and Xavi bring us an important and quite heavy topics.
luciash d' being (luci): hardly hearing you Jyhem
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Tiki 9 :  → an imageTiki 9 : ~np~i → Tiki 12:  → Wikilinguo Tiki13 :  → an imageWikilinguo Tiki13 : ????? → 
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Tiki 9 : i → 
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): 
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Tiki 12:  → 
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): 
luciash d' being (luci): ah, I see, but that is not Robert’s fault, is it ? :)
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): Bernaard: no problem, I just offer to quickly show and can show at any time even at latest for 1 person .... just mind, that I might be thrown out by the system and did not get, so mind to ring on skype, just in case
luciash d' being (luci): is it only in wikiLingo ? wikiLingo is optional
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Wikilinguo Tiki13 : ????? → 
luciash d' being (luci): i thought it is regression in Tiki parsing in general
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): you can output wikiLingo to pretty much all - given you define once
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): PDF should be quite easy
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): I feel that from the user's viewpoint there is no guessing what happens when typing code ?
luciash d' being (luci): Jyhem: the problem with np not working anymore is in wiki syntax in general or only in wikiLingo ?
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): right Robert?
luciash d' being (luci): use CODE plugin ?
luciash d' being (luci): or HTML plugin
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): code plugin is a big block block
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): same issue with html
luciash d' being (luci): inline param could do
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Can I have notallowed=everything ?
luciash d' being (luci): the trick
luciash d' being (luci): you can style the div with display: inline-block or display: inline CSS
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): yup
luciash d' being (luci): something like -+php text-indent: 2rem $foo = "bar";+- ???
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): That was a bit too much "and Torsten" ... I am just listening, testing, using and giving some feedback to Robert every here and then
robertplummer: Tada!
luciash d' being (luci): typo there
robertplummer: Luci, did you see?
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): gret work and great demo Robert, thx
robertplummer: thanks
luciash d' being (luci): i thought it will style the plugin
luciash d' being (luci): with text-indent
robertplummer: -++- is not a plugin, it is a syntax ;)
luciash d' being (luci): or vorder-right: solid 1px red
luciash d' being (luci): aha
robertplummer: The concepts are different.
luciash d' being (luci): sorry then, confused
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): what is Xavi talking about?
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): Second hour
luciash d' being (luci): so in the {CODE()}...{CODE} it should work, right ?
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): can you talk louder ?
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): I must go to the mail ... cannot read the presentation window
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): no, the code() plugin is very useful... for a different thing :)
robertplummer: {DIV(text-indent="2em")}-+php $foo = "bar";+-{DIV}
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): too small
luciash d' being (luci): robert: ok, thanks
robertplummer: luci, no problem.
luciash d' being (luci): so basically as a new param
robertplummer: exactly!
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): No I get the context ... sorry for my confusion, audio was bad
Xavi (xavi): ok
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): Xavi .. sry, keeping up now
Xavi (xavi): http://tiki.org/tiki-index_raw.php?page=Webinar%202014%2004#Second_hour_longer_topics
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): surely I stay for this important topic
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): What is the context Torsten ? I still did not get it
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): Jean-Marc, improving the community ... 12.1 four month not out, new people have difficulties to find the way to the processes etc.
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Ahh, ok
luciash d' being (luci): 13 is unlucky number ;-)
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): redundancy - !!!
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): I also think we need to map better aera and task then to matche them with required skills.
luciash d' being (luci): moving part of the load to a new server is good idea, +1
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): (match)
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Remove
luciash d' being (luci): +1 for remove
robertplummer: for those interested in css parameters for plugins: https://github.com/wikiLingo/wikiLingo/wiki/Styling-wikiLingo-Plugins
robertplummer: in wikiLingo ^
luciash d' being (luci): because we do not have resources to have more than one webinar monthly (mostly)
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Because it looks like someone organizing these for other people who never asked or felt the need for it :)
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): what is TMIT?
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Like a avideo changelog ? ^^
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Ahh, actual demos... nice
luciash d' being (luci): there was none yet, right ? or did i missed it ?
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): none
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): you missed none
luciash d' being (luci): :)
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): I like the idea of having general and specific webinar.
luciash d' being (luci): we already have one, do not we ?
luciash d' being (luci): i thought
luciash d' being (luci): YT channel
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): can anybody here me?
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): not me torsteen
robertplummer: no
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): I wait until Xavi stops and try
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): agree !
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): I agree with Xavi
Nelson (koth): +1
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): wanted to say s.th. similar
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): providing more that we can use BBB for training
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): tracker - maybe good idea
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): +1
luciash d' being (luci): i think the main issue with code.tiki.org, nextdoc, mother etc. is nobody knows about them and for what they are they useful for... probably we do not promote them enough ?
Nelson (koth): https://dev.tiki.org/Tiki+Testing+with+Selenium
Nelson (koth): It takes a bit of setup and we are experimenting to see if the junior dev can write tests
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): training webinars
Xavi (xavi): luci, I agree. About mother, I wanted to promote it in the admin wizard for new admins, but I didn't dare to do so until the thing was working again :-)
Nelson (koth): But the recipe is there on the page
Nelson (koth): I think if the skill is match with the itch it will get done
luciash d' being (luci): Could this help somehow with the testings: http://phantomjs.org/ ?
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Is that meant to live on the desktop or a server ?
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): One for Tiki and one for the community
luciash d' being (luci): many use it, including Bootstrap
luciash d' being (luci): "PhantomJS is an optimal solution forHeadless Website Testing"
luciash d' being (luci): yes, hearing
robertplummer: we hear you
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): hear, yes
luciash d' being (luci): :)
luciash d' being (luci): yes, Tiki is very powerful tool
Nelson (koth): Yes, lots of people use TIki for project management, not like MS Project., but for the group collaboration aspect, it is perfect
Nelson (koth): is it just me or is the sound fuzzy?
Xavi (xavi): sound fuzzy
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): I am on the way of creating a collaboration site for a newly founded international association
Xavi (xavi): and getting lower with time
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): (Xavi)
luciash d' being (luci): sorry I cannot understand
luciash d' being (luci): Torsten: sounds good
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): I do not get the context of Bernard T. (by sound)
Nelson (koth): lright, Bernard.
Nelson (koth): Bernard Sfez, perhaps we should wrap up?
Xavi (xavi): +1
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): Nelson, you got it? could you please sumarize in short?
luciash d' being (luci): if there is nothing to add to the "community problems", Torsten, can you tell ? (or you lost sound ?)
luciash d' being (luci): about wikilingo
luciash d' being (luci): usecase
Xavi (xavi): +1
Nelson (koth): right.
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): I lost sound ... I could quickly try a restart of the PC
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): I lost it too
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): 1 or 2 minutes
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): same restarting
luciash d' being (luci): ok
Xavi (xavi): Gary, no one speaking now
Bernard TREMBLAY (Trebly): I lost too
robertplummer: hi
patrick.proulx: ya
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): yes :)
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): Ok now
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): HTML purifier isn't compatible with HTML5 as far as I know.
luciash d' being (luci): doh
luciash d' being (luci): :)
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): I try to run away from wysiwyg. Some clients seem to use it but in production, so not available for testing
robertplummer: It is a feature, not forced. Some need it, some don't
luciash d' being (luci): yes
luciash d' being (luci): now if he gets audio ...
Nelson (koth): But Trebly, the issue is stability
luciash d' being (luci): wb torsten
luciash d' being (luci): ah, gone again
luciash d' being (luci): :(
Xavi (xavi): mmmm, it's getting late here, I need to disconnect in short
robertplummer: Bernard Tremblay, you should look at wikiLingo.
luciash d' being (luci): alright xavi, if u have nothing important to say, good night !
Bernard TREMBLAY (Trebly): Yes I will
robertplummer: wikilingodoesthat.com
Nelson (koth): good night xavi, see you next week and I will check the tikifest schedule
robertplummer: yes
robertplummer: it is perfect.
robertplummer: don't touch it
robertplummer: Yes
robertplummer: preset
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): Good night, xavi. We'll be here all next week ;-) .
Xavi (xavi): Nelson, don't forget about the server with php 5.5 to restored next*.t.o and mother.t.o, etc. (and thanks for providing that new server, of course! :-)
Nelson (koth): yes, amette is working on the server. He knows we need it for tikifest
robertplummer: night night
Xavi (xavi): ok, thanks
Xavi (xavi): g'night everyone also
patrick.proulx: Have a great weekend!