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Webinar 2014 04


Volunteering Facilitator: Bernard Sfez

Recording

When

Thursday, April 17, 2014 at 19:00:00 UTC time (click for time zone in your city)

What

See Webinars for a detailed description.

Where

http://live.tiki.org

Topics

1st hour quick news

  1. Tiki 12.1 release
  2. TikiFest information (Nelson)
  3. Bootstrap status (Gary and Gezza)
  4. wikiLingo status (Robert and Torsteen)
  5. Surveys mini-revamp demo (JonnyB) (not sure when i can make it but will try Jonny Bradley )


Second hour, longer topics

  1. How can we improve our dynamics & performance as a Community? (regarding 'quality' and 'quantity'). E.g.:
    1. four months after 12.0 and no 12.1 yet (and some important patches found only in 12.1+)
    2. we might not be using the potential we have to run self-tests in our code?
    3. code.tiki.org : low hanging fruit not being used? Unnecessary?
    4. mother.tiki.org still broken (after 2 months, at least; unmet dependencies: php 5.5), even after repeated requests to have it up again
    5. next*.tiki.org (e.g. http://nextdoc.tiki.org ) broken also for a long while due to (unmet dependencies: php 5.5)
    6. too few people (for instance, from the group of tiki project admins willing to help) with access to critical servers, to fix things like the one reported related to mother.tiki.org (as a simple example)
    7. Webinars announced (since August 2013) to be splitted and reshaped into:
      1. Roundtable Meetings (<- Traditional Webinars to date)
      2. Developer Webinars
      3. Power User Webinars
      4. TMIT

      but after 8 months, no news about 2-3-4?
    8. Maybe still outdated libs in our 12.x LTS branch?
      • Tiki 12.0 was supposed to be released with the latest versions of libs. We did a release without, with the todo that those were supposed to be resolved before 12.1. It makes no sense to start a 5-year LTS with out of date libs. (...)

        Re: http://dev.tiki.org/Tiki+12+Composer+Dependencies

        What is problematic is that it looks like no progress has been made on this in over 3 months. ...
    9. ...

Chat log

Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): Hello Bernard :)
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): I'll be back at 19h00 so recording start right in time, cu
Xavi (xavi): polom
Nelson (koth): polom
robertplummer: Gettings
anonymous: hello !
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): Whi is anonymous
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): ?
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): :)
anonymous: damn, Tiki logged me out in between :D
anonymous: brb
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): Hello everyone
Xavi (xavi): sylvie = sylvieg????
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): Hello Sylvie !
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Hello !
sylvie: hello - I have no microphone
luciash d' being (luci): hi again ! :)
Xavi (xavi): @sylvie: ohhhhhh :-) Nice to see/read you again!
robertplummer: Hey Luci! Been a while since I have seen you.
Xavi (xavi): hi luci, Gary, robert and all (btw)
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Hello Sylvie :)
robertplummer: Hi Xavi. JM, Sylvie.
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): polom everybody
robertplummer: hi torsten!
Xavi (xavi): there are still some listed here: http://dev.tiki.org/Tiki12#Blockers
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): https://dev.tiki.org/Tiki12
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): tks Xavi
Xavi (xavi): Jean MArc?
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): is there a way to make the presentation bigger?
luciash d' being (luci): "non-parsed tiki syntax is ignored" is marked as blocker ?
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): readable?
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): a button or so?
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): can't understand you
Xavi (xavi): +1 to remove item5172 from blockers
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): must restart
luciash d' being (luci): +1
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): must restart too
robertplummer: Is everyone restarting because of audio issues?
Nelson (koth): can you say something?
Xavi (xavi): and in fact, issues with wysiwyg loosing content: they are not affecting standard installs, isn't it?, so shouldn't be a blocker then? (item5164 , and the one related to tracker text areas with wysiwyg loosing content)
luciash d' being (luci): dogfood testing
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): Yes I had audio issues now better
Nelson (koth): http://tiki.org/TikiFestT13Alpha
Nelson (koth): http://tiki.org/TikiFestT13Alpha
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): item5172 is about losing content which was between §6edaeda1ee26425b05000b96beed11c9§ → Tiki 12:  → Wikilinguo Tiki13 :  → an imageWikilinguo Tiki13 : ????? → 
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Tiki 9 : §92f373590442d50331c26c0c6a4aed48§ → 
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): <img>
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Tiki 12: <img bla> → 
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): <img>
luciash d' being (luci): ah, I see, but that is not Robert’s fault, is it ? :)
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): Bernaard: no problem, I just offer to quickly show and can show at any time even at latest for 1 person .... just mind, that I might be thrown out by the system and did not get, so mind to ring on skype, just in case
luciash d' being (luci): is it only in wikiLingo ? wikiLingo is optional
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Wikilinguo Tiki13 : ????? → <img bla>
luciash d' being (luci): i thought it is regression in Tiki parsing in general
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): you can output wikiLingo to pretty much all - given you define once
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): PDF should be quite easy
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): I feel that from the user's viewpoint there is no guessing what happens when typing code ?
luciash d' being (luci): Jyhem: the problem with np not working anymore is in wiki syntax in general or only in wikiLingo ?
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): right Robert?
luciash d' being (luci): use CODE plugin ?
luciash d' being (luci): or HTML plugin
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): code plugin is a big block block
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): same issue with html
luciash d' being (luci): inline param could do
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Can I have notallowed=everything ?
luciash d' being (luci): the trick
luciash d' being (luci): you can style the div with display: inline-block or display: inline CSS
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): yup
luciash d' being (luci): something like -+php text-indent: 2rem $foo = "bar";+- ???
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): That was a bit too much "and Torsten" ... I am just listening, testing, using and giving some feedback to Robert every here and then
robertplummer: Tada!
luciash d' being (luci): typo there
robertplummer: Luci, did you see?
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): gret work and great demo Robert, thx
robertplummer: thanks
luciash d' being (luci): i thought it will style the plugin
luciash d' being (luci): with text-indent
robertplummer: -++- is not a plugin, it is a syntax ;)
luciash d' being (luci): or vorder-right: solid 1px red
luciash d' being (luci): aha
robertplummer: The concepts are different.
luciash d' being (luci): sorry then, confused
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): what is Xavi talking about?
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): Second hour
luciash d' being (luci): so in the {CODE()}...{CODE} it should work, right ?
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): can you talk louder ?
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): I must go to the mail ... cannot read the presentation window
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): no, the code() plugin is very useful... for a different thing :)
robertplummer: {DIV(text-indent="2em")}-+php $foo = "bar";+-{DIV}
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): too small
luciash d' being (luci): robert: ok, thanks
robertplummer: luci, no problem.
luciash d' being (luci): so basically as a new param
robertplummer: exactly!
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): No I get the context ... sorry for my confusion, audio was bad
Xavi (xavi): ok
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): Xavi .. sry, keeping up now
Xavi (xavi): http://tiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Webinar%202014%2004#Second_hour_longer_topics
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): surely I stay for this important topic
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): What is the context Torsten ? I still did not get it
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): Jean-Marc, improving the community ... 12.1 four month not out, new people have difficulties to find the way to the processes etc.
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Ahh, ok
luciash d' being (luci): 13 is unlucky number ;-)
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): redundancy - !!!
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): I also think we need to map better aera and task then to matche them with required skills.
luciash d' being (luci): moving part of the load to a new server is good idea, +1
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): (match)
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Remove
luciash d' being (luci): +1 for remove
robertplummer: for those interested in css parameters for plugins: https://github.com/wikiLingo/wikiLingo/wiki/Styling-wikiLingo-Plugins
robertplummer: in wikiLingo ^
luciash d' being (luci): because we do not have resources to have more than one webinar monthly (mostly)
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Because it looks like someone organizing these for other people who never asked or felt the need for it :)
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): what is TMIT?
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Like a avideo changelog ? ^^
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Ahh, actual demos... nice
luciash d' being (luci): there was none yet, right ? or did i missed it ?
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): none
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): you missed none
luciash d' being (luci): :)
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): I like the idea of having general and specific webinar.
luciash d' being (luci): we already have one, do not we ?
luciash d' being (luci): i thought
luciash d' being (luci): YT channel
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): can anybody here me?
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): not me torsteen
robertplummer: no
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): I wait until Xavi stops and try
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): agree !
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): I agree with Xavi
Nelson (koth): +1
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): wanted to say s.th. similar
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): providing more that we can use BBB for training
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): tracker - maybe good idea
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): +1
luciash d' being (luci): i think the main issue with code.tiki.org, nextdoc, mother etc. is nobody knows about them and for what they are they useful for... probably we do not promote them enough ?
Nelson (koth): https://dev.tiki.org/Tiki+Testing+with+Selenium
Nelson (koth): It takes a bit of setup and we are experimenting to see if the junior dev can write tests
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): training webinars
Xavi (xavi): luci, I agree. About mother, I wanted to promote it in the admin wizard for new admins, but I didn't dare to do so until the thing was working again :-)
Nelson (koth): But the recipe is there on the page
Nelson (koth): I think if the skill is match with the itch it will get done
luciash d' being (luci): Could this help somehow with the testings: http://phantomjs.org/ ?
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Is that meant to live on the desktop or a server ?
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): One for Tiki and one for the community
luciash d' being (luci): many use it, including Bootstrap
luciash d' being (luci): "PhantomJS is an optimal solution forHeadless Website Testing"
luciash d' being (luci): yes, hearing
robertplummer: we hear you
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): hear, yes
luciash d' being (luci): :)
luciash d' being (luci): yes, Tiki is very powerful tool
Nelson (koth): Yes, lots of people use TIki for project management, not like MS Project., but for the group collaboration aspect, it is perfect
Nelson (koth): is it just me or is the sound fuzzy?
Xavi (xavi): sound fuzzy
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): I am on the way of creating a collaboration site for a newly founded international association
Xavi (xavi): and getting lower with time
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): (Xavi)
luciash d' being (luci): sorry I cannot understand
luciash d' being (luci): Torsten: sounds good
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): I do not get the context of Bernard T. (by sound)
Nelson (koth): lright, Bernard.
Nelson (koth): Bernard Sfez, perhaps we should wrap up?
Xavi (xavi): +1
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): Nelson, you got it? could you please sumarize in short?
luciash d' being (luci): if there is nothing to add to the "community problems", Torsten, can you tell ? (or you lost sound ?)
luciash d' being (luci): about wikilingo
luciash d' being (luci): usecase
Xavi (xavi): +1
Nelson (koth): right.
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): I lost sound ... I could quickly try a restart of the PC
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): I lost it too
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): 1 or 2 minutes
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): same restarting
luciash d' being (luci): ok
Xavi (xavi): Gary, no one speaking now
Bernard TREMBLAY (Trebly): I lost too
robertplummer: hi
patrick.proulx: ya
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): yes :)
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): Ok now
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): HTML purifier isn't compatible with HTML5 as far as I know.
luciash d' being (luci): doh
luciash d' being (luci): :)
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): I try to run away from wysiwyg. Some clients seem to use it but in production, so not available for testing
robertplummer: It is a feature, not forced. Some need it, some don't
luciash d' being (luci): yes
luciash d' being (luci): now if he gets audio ...
Nelson (koth): But Trebly, the issue is stability
luciash d' being (luci): wb torsten
luciash d' being (luci): ah, gone again
luciash d' being (luci): :(
Xavi (xavi): mmmm, it's getting late here, I need to disconnect in short
robertplummer: Bernard Tremblay, you should look at wikiLingo.
luciash d' being (luci): alright xavi, if u have nothing important to say, good night !
Bernard TREMBLAY (Trebly): Yes I will
robertplummer: wikilingodoesthat.com
Nelson (koth): good night xavi, see you next week and I will check the tikifest schedule
robertplummer: yes
robertplummer: it is perfect.
robertplummer: don't touch it
robertplummer: Yes
robertplummer: preset
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): Good night, xavi. We'll be here all next week ;-) .
Xavi (xavi): Nelson, don't forget about the server with php 5.5 to restored next*.t.o and mother.t.o, etc. (and thanks for providing that new server, of course! :-)
Nelson (koth): yes, amette is working on the server. He knows we need it for tikifest
robertplummer: night night
Xavi (xavi): ok, thanks
Xavi (xavi): g'night everyone also
patrick.proulx: Have a great weekend!

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