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Roundtable Meeting 2025 09

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Volunteering Facilitator: Marc Laporte

When

Our monthly meetings are the third Thursday of each month at 14h UTC.

Thursday, September 18th, 2025 at 14:00:00 UTC timeQuestion (click to check time zone in your location)

Where

What

See Roundtable Meetings for a detailed description.

Topics

Because Bernard is unavailable for the second, we will start with two topics concerning him more

1.1. The wishlist on dev.tiki.org

Over the last several months, Bernard and many devs have had regular meetings to clean up https://dev.tiki.org/tracker5Question with a last in, first out approachQuestion. How has it been going? How far back did we get to?

1.2. When to backport ?

Related URLs:

The question was raised during a bug review session with the young dev team. Fixes commit fixes are made on master but a lot were reported on working Tiki that are not running on master but on version that can master -1, -2 or more (especially on previous LTS). While some backport requires the eyes of an expert to avoid breaking previous versions some may come as automatic or semi-automatic (on request). A simple Decision Tree easy to work on should be established, something like this (should be discussed);

  • If a commit fixes a regression in previous version(s):
    • If the version is the previous LTS → Automatic backport
    • If the version is a supported LTS → Discuss before backporting
    • If the version is the previous major version (not close to EOL) → Backport
    • If the version is the previous major version (close to EOL) → No Backport
    • If the version is unsupported → No backport
  • If a commit fixes a bug in a previous version:
    • If the version is the previous LTS and if it blocks a key feature → Backport
    • If the version is a supported LTS and if it blocks a key feature → Discuss before backporting
    • If the version is the previous major version (not close to EOL) and if it blocks a key feature → Backport
    • If the version is the previous major version (close to EOL) and if it blocks a key feature → No Backport
    • If the version is the previous LTS and if it’s a small, safe fix → Backport
    • If the version is a supported LTS and if it’s a small, safe fix → Discuss before backporting
    • If the version is the previous major version (not close to EOL) and it’s a small, safe fix → Backport
    • If the version is the previous major version (close to EOL) and f it’s a small, safe fix → No Backport
    • If the version is the previous LTS and if it’s minor or risky → Discuss before backporting
    • If the version is a supported LTS and if it’s minor or risky → Discuss before backporting
    • If the version is the previous major version (not close to EOL) and it’s minor or risky → No Backport
    • If the version is the previous major version (close to EOL) and f it’s minor or risky → No Backport
  • If a commit fixes a usability issue:
    • ...
  • If a commit fixes a Visual issue:
    • ...


Some Warnings

  • The older the branch, the higher the risk of breaking things.
  • Even “small” changes may behave differently in LTS.
  • When in doubt → Bring it up for discussion with release maintainers.


I know there is a page somewhere about how to commit and where, but I remember it outdated (long time I haven't look at it). I wanted to review it but dev.t.o is actually having troubles with page (error 500 on wiki pages).
This would also allow better usage/understanding of git labels: https://gitlab.com/tikiwiki/tiki/-/labelsQuestion

Security fixes → Mandatory backport to all supported versions.
Regression fixes → Always backport (LTS first).
Blocking bugs → Backport to supported versions.
Admin preferences → Only if broken or misleading, not for enhancements.

Risk Levels

  • Very low risk (isolated, clear fix) → Safe to backport.
  • Medium risk (shared code, wider impact) → Needs discussion.
  • High risk (refactor, dependency-heavy) → Avoid backport.

1.3. Quick news

  1. Tiki-29Question release (Rodriguez Nyiringabo)
  2. Status of Tiki-Cypht in master; update in progress
    1. https://github.com/cypht-org/cypht/pull/1635Question (Bruno Kambere)
    2. https://github.com/cypht-org/cypht/issues/1624Question (Steven Ngesera)
  3. Status update and helped need for documentation of https://doc.tiki.org/Tiki30Question (Joseph Kausi)
  4. Tiki i18n https://i18n.tiki.orgQuestion (Bruno Kambere)


Put your topic (max. 5-10 minutes) into the list above

1.4. Longer topics

  1. Make it more automatic: Organization and animation of the monthly Tiki round table meetings (Alvin)

Recording

Follow-Up

  • ...

Put your follow-up action(s) when you're done into the list above

Chat log

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Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez)
00:01:23
Weekly
ma
Marc Laporte (marclaporte)
00:06:44
https://dev.tiki.org/Where-to-commitQuestion
gu
Guest: Benoit Grégoire
00:07:15
https://dev.tiki.org/Where-to-commitQuestion, second item in the "commit code menu"
lu
luciash d' being 🧙 (luci)
00:07:16
https://dev.tiki.org/Where-to-commitQuestion
lu
luciash d' being 🧙 (luci)
00:10:58
Fixes in general should be backported down to most recent LTS imho (exception might be security fixes)
be
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez)
00:26:30
https://tiki.org/Roundtable-Meeting-2025-09Question
be
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez)
00:27:29
was working in 24 and 26
not working in 27 and 28
work again in 29
lu
luciash d' being 🧙 (luci)
00:32:50
it might also be a bug (regression) introduced in 27, not spotted by many users, went to 28, and then it was "discovered" and fixed by someone in master/29... they might not even know it was introduced in 27 and is still there - who tells them to test all the previous versions and that it should be backported to 28 - 27?
be
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez)
00:34:42
Fixing don't look at me 😉
ma
Marc Laporte (marclaporte)
00:34:53
https://dev.tiki.org/Snapshots-from-trunkQuestion
ga
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy)
00:35:47

+1 to focus on master

be
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez)
00:39:01
Following the discussion on mobile.
lu
luciash d' being 🧙 (luci)
00:47:39
My problem is more on the "how do I prevent others from not breaking my fixes again in the future" side 😂
lu
luciash d' being 🧙 (luci)
00:51:02
Should we add label for Regressions on Gitlab?
ma
Marc Laporte (marclaporte)
00:52:05
internal task to fix:

doc: https://avan.tech/item124415Question
dev: https://avan.tech/item124416Question
an
anonymous
00:52:41
Regression From lts to lts if not risky dhould be backported imo
ma
Marc Laporte (marclaporte)
00:52:48
themes: https://avan.tech/item124417Question
profiles: https://avan.tech/item124427Question
tiki.org: https://avan.tech/item124418Question
an
anonymous
00:52:53
no need for mid version
an
anonymous
00:54:11
Its bernard 😄
an
anonymous
00:58:42
Agree with Marc
an
anonymous
01:00:47
And I meant last lts of course
an
anonymous
01:03:24
Also easy, new features or options shouldn’t be backported (in general)
lu
luciash d' being 🧙 (luci)
01:05:04
That is why developers are usually well paid 😊
ma
Marc Laporte (marclaporte)
01:06:54
https://doc.tiki.org/Tiki29#Mass_cleanupsQuestion
ma
Marc Laporte (marclaporte)
01:09:10
https://dev.tiki.org/Backport-guidelinesQuestion
an
anonymous
01:10:32
I can volunteer for that and we consult next month… where to backport
an
anonymous
01:11:03
Sure was the idea 😉
gu
Guest: ushindi bienvenu
01:15:21
https://gitlab.com/tikiwiki/tiki/-/merge_requests/7284#note_2733023460Question

A discussion for this roundtable
gu
Guest: Kevin Doyle
01:16:20
I'm using Docker to run multiple versions of Tiki, I have been using tiki since version 16. Maybe introduce docker to clients as a way of maintaining operation! Great Round Table!
gu
Guest: ushindi bienvenu
01:17:26
i will do it
lu
luciash d' being 🧙 (luci)
01:17:54
It should not be default by the definition... wiki is not intended to be wysiwyg by default but use wiki syntax or maybe markdown in the future if it becomes the major way to replace wiki syntax
lu
luciash d' being 🧙 (luci)
01:20:17
@ushindi I think you should not add topics and assign it to other people expecting they will talk about it without first discussing it with them?
gu
Guest: ushindi bienvenu
01:21:10
Sorry @luci
It is well understood
ga
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy)
01:21:32
Also, elFinder is the default gallery view now. Is this an agreed decision?
ga
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy)
01:21:50
(No complaints - just wondering.)
ro
Rodriguez Nyiringabo (rodriguez.nyiringabo)
01:22:01
https://dev.tiki.org/Regressions-in-29.xQuestion
lu
luciash d' being 🧙 (luci)
01:22:06
I think we have some blockers to release final 29.x
lu
luciash d' being 🧙 (luci)
01:23:18
I was wondering too the Select2 was replaced by Element while it does not work everywhere yet (e.g. with Relation type tracker field)
gu
Guest: Benoit Grégoire
01:23:44
I get a Forbidden on https://dev.tiki.org/Regressions-in-29.xQuestion
ro
Rodriguez Nyiringabo (rodriguez.nyiringabo)
01:25:27
https://avan.tech/item122914-Release-process-start-having-different-people-and-teams-with-various-pre-defined-responsibilities-for-all-releasesQuestion
ga
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy)
01:26:09
The pre-release testing Benoit suggested should include things like this. I can test wiki page editing and simple tracker features but I don't know about Relation tracker field.
ga
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy)
01:26:29
There should be a checklist . . . and volunteers per task or section or something.
lu
luciash d' being 🧙 (luci)
01:26:32
When I try to log in to Themes (which is 29.x) now I get Error 500: https://themes.tiki.org/tiki-login.phpQuestion
ga
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy)
01:27:19
Hmm, works ok for me.
gu
Guest: ushindi bienvenu
01:27:46
it works for me too
lu
luciash d' being 🧙 (luci)
01:27:48
Strange, tried twice, still error 500
lu
luciash d' being 🧙 (luci)
01:28:06
logging in from https://themes.tiki.org/ThemesQuestion
gu
Guest: ushindi bienvenu
01:29:05
it passes for me
lu
luciash d' being 🧙 (luci)
01:29:45
Same if I try from https://themes.tiki.org/loginQuestion
lu
luciash d' being 🧙 (luci)
01:30:32
anyway, will re-try later (dunno why it does not work for me) ... thanks for checking everyone
ro
Rodriguez Nyiringabo (rodriguez.nyiringabo)
01:30:36
I asked every product owner to test the master dogfood site (e.g: trunkthems.t.o) and confirm it all work before moving the current sit to the next branch
ma
Marc Laporte (marclaporte)
01:31:07
https://trunkdev.tiki.org/Question
gu
Guest: ushindi bienvenu
01:32:20
hahahhahahha
gu
Guest: Franck Sefu
01:32:28
mdr
ro
Roberto Kirschbaum (robertokir)
01:32:33
😊
sa
Sammy Ndabo (sammy.ndabo)
01:32:48
We have issues accessing tiki-check.php on next.tiki.org and tiki.org, there's something that has been disabled on the server for security reasons and it causing tiki-check.php to bug on the two sites
br
Bruno Kambere (kambereBr)
01:33:02
Hahaha
lu
luciash d' being 🧙 (luci)
01:33:41
Strangely it does not work (error 500 again) for me on https://trunkthemes.tiki.org/loginQuestion either but must be Elon Musk's fault or Edge browser or whatever, lol
gu
Guest: Bernard Sfez
01:37:10
Thats the reason I created a test protocol for each site. It helps.
ro
Rodriguez Nyiringabo (rodriguez.nyiringabo)
01:39:34
Here is smoke test we used to make as we can not test all the features; https://dev.tiki.org/Tiki-Test-Plan-for-new-site-adminQuestion
lu
luciash d' being 🧙 (luci)
01:40:53
This is weird too, because I do not (logged in, and Anonymous as well)... do you get it even on https://dev.tiki.org/Regressions-in-29.x?refresh=1Question ?
be
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez)
01:42:10
In my test protocol I really detail things. IE: Create a page, edit a page, use bold, italic, trackeritems, etc
be
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez)
01:42:17
like a cheklist
ga
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy)
01:42:55
I wonder why I can edit wiki pages at https://trunkthemes.tiki.org/Question but not in my local master, where I get error 500.
lu
luciash d' being 🧙 (luci)
01:43:30
btw, here the login works for me just fine
ga
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy)
01:44:47
I assume other people can edit their master branch wiki pages and see calendars with no 500 error, right?
ma
Marc Laporte (marclaporte)
01:45:54
For Cypht, we do: https://github.com/cypht-org/cypht/wiki/Test-Plan-Summary-Cypht-WebmailQuestion
lu
luciash d' being 🧙 (luci)
01:47:02
Yeah, I can work with master on localhost just fine (but it is not a fresh install, a constantly upgraded master instance)
ga
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy)
01:47:58
Also in my case it's a pretty old site, constantly upgraded.
ga
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy)
01:48:31
Most features + admin functions work, but not see wiki, see calendars, clear caches.
lu
luciash d' being 🧙 (luci)
01:49:51
Try this one liner: $ git checkout master && rm -rf ./node_modules && git pull && sh setup.sh -n build && php console.php d:u && php console.php c:c
lu
luciash d' being 🧙 (luci)
01:53:29
weird, definitely regression
ro
Rodriguez Nyiringabo (rodriguez.nyiringabo)
01:53:44
https://avan.tech/item140420Question
lu
luciash d' being 🧙 (luci)
01:55:53
sry guys, gotta go, dogwalk time here 😉 (maybe i catch you here afterwards still?)
ma
Marc Laporte (marclaporte)
02:00:39
https://doc.tiki.org/Tiki30Question
ga
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy)
02:00:45
https://matrix.to/#/!SLEgqpTNTlGYAhzNvK:gitter.im/$Nbip5AZOzrefStpUE0PEU4wzJ0eJdwbQGNL92Wh3k4k?via=gitter.im&via=matrix.org&via=coeus.caQuestion
ga
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy)
02:01:03
(My comments on doc/TikiXX pages)
ma
Marc Laporte (marclaporte)
02:01:34
https://doc.tiki.org/Tiki29Question is 16 pages when printed. Very good!
ro
Rodriguez Nyiringabo (rodriguez.nyiringabo)
02:03:15
I like the release notes. Thanks Joseph.
gu
Guest: Joseph Kausi
02:03:49
https://doc.tiki.org/Tiki29Question
gu
Guest: ushindi bienvenu
02:03:51
it is here
be
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez)
02:04:07
Need to go (again) bye all.
gu
Guest: Joseph Kausi
02:04:13
feeback and contributions here :
https://avan.tech/item90187Question
gu
Guest: ushindi bienvenu
02:08:03
https://i18n.tiki.orgQuestion
ma
Marc Laporte (marclaporte)
02:08:40
https://tiki.org/article521-Interactive-Translations-Collaborative-i18n-Tiki-Site-The-Second-IterationQuestion
ba
Baraka24
02:09:37
I appreciate your work @Bruno
gu
Guest: ushindi bienvenu
02:09:43
https://i18n.tiki.org/tiki-interactive_trans.php?interactive_translation_mode=onQuestion

Denied access
ro
Roberto Kirschbaum (robertokir)
02:24:44
Thanks!
ib
ibrahim mussa (ibmussa)
02:24:48
thanks
br
Bruno Kambere (kambereBr)
02:24:49
bye
ba
Baraka24
02:24:50
Bye
gu
Guest: Franck Sefu
02:24:50
bye
gu
Guest: Alfred Syatsukwa
02:24:56
bye

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