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Roundtable Meeting 2023 06

Volunteering Facilitator: Marc

Recording

Watch/listen to the recording of this meeting here.

When

Our monthly meetings are the third Thursday of each month at 14h UTC

Thursday, June 15th, 2023 at 14:00:00 UTC (click to check time zone in your location)

Where

What

The members of the community are invited to fill the topic list of the TRM.
As courtesy to other participant's, prepare a minimum your topic. Give context and details, prepare demos, screenshot, URL or reports in advance... anything that will allow better/faster understanding and getting into the topic. ๐Ÿ™

See Roundtable Meetings for a detailed description.

Topics

First hour, quick news

  1. Tiki 26 Updates
    1. Delayed branching, due to:
      1. Calendar revamp (mostly done enough for branching, some fixes will continue
      2. Emoji Picker - work continues
      3. CSS loading changes in headerlib issues need resolving
      4. Qualified relations
      5. Last minute decision to switch to PHP8 Mostly solved
      6. https://avan.tech/item92975-BLOCKER-Unexpected-Please-confirm-action-message-on-wiki-pages (Emmanuel and Eutyche)
      7. Anything else?
    2. How to help?
    3. New commit process during the 26 release process: Backport guidelines (Jonny)
  2. Tiki hidden gems: (Tiki feature, function or option that deserves more exposition and attention)
    External Wikis is a very useful feature that allows to quickly create elegant link between wikis or sites. Handful of people are aware of such feature and many would have enjoyed it.
    • It is hard to find
    • The doc is succinct
    • The inline help is confusing
    • ( See item8404 )
  3. The Cypht Webmail project will become an organization and the Tiki community will increase its participation: https://unencumberedbyfacts.com/2023/06/14/cypht-rebooted/ (Marc)
  4. mose created a new tool: https://gitlab.com/tikiwiki/tiki-crawl which is a first step for https://dev.tiki.org/All-in-one-crawl-scrape-parse-tool
  5. ...

put your topic (max. 5-10 minutes) into the list above

Second hour, longer topics

  1. Tiki installation on YunoHost. What YunoHost is for and and what it means for Tiki. ( Jyhem)
    Related links:
  2. Discuss where to commit process (backport, frontport, etc.?) during the 26 release process and after: Backport guidelines
  3. Qualified relations before branching or wait for it to be more complete.

put your topic (max. 15 minutes) into the list above

Follow-Up

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put your follow up action(s) when you're done into the list above

Chat log

Guest: Marcellin Wabo
00:04:49
Sorry, I lost the network
ma
Marc Laporte (marclaporte)
00:07:22
@Marcellin: You and Jonny can work on it after the meeting
gu
Guest: Marcellin Wabo
00:08:59
@Marc: Noted!
gu
Guest: eutyche ODIMBA
00:12:35
i think to do a revert is now a quickly solution
be
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez)
00:12:44
put the blame on the cat !
gu
Guest: eutyche ODIMBA
00:14:01
but the old methode is not give us a good protection it is give us a good protection
gu
Guest: eutyche ODIMBA
00:14:08
i think just
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
00:15:20
Did you say, are they on PHP8.1?
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
00:15:45
Thanks
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
00:17:13
Dalek Bernard
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
00:17:34
๐Ÿ˜
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
00:17:56
Yes, good now
ma
Marc Laporte (marclaporte)
00:19:17
https://dev.tiki.org/Backport%20guidelines
gu
Guest: Aris
00:38:07
ok
gu
Guest: Benoit Grรฉgoire
00:40:47
Yes, "External URL Aliases" sounds pretty much like what it is now actually
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
00:41:35
It does not need to be external site per se. It can be also the same site prefix even or whatever.
ga
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy)
00:44:21
So could be called "URL aliases"?
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
00:45:03
Yes, sounds good to me @Gary
ma
Marc Laporte (marclaporte)
00:45:09
https://unencumberedbyfacts.com/2023/06/14/cypht-rebooted/
be
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez)
00:45:18
I wonder if can do even more things related to url... shop with product ID...
be
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez)
00:45:32
"URL aliases" +1
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
00:47:14
You can use it for anything basically, e.g. trackers, you can create aliases like "item$page" and use item:123 instead.
ga
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy)
00:48:11
So both URLs and IRLs — could it be "Link aliases"?
gu
Guest: Aris
00:48:12
Very interesting idea about trackers and aliases
be
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez)
00:48:35
Thanks Luci... Great it really open ideas
ga
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy)
00:48:56
Or is URL aliases more accurate?
ma
Marc Laporte (marclaporte)
00:49:27
See the recording here: https://dev.tiki.org/Email-as-a-first-class-citizen
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
00:49:29
"URL aliases" better I think
gu
Guest: Benoit Grรฉgoire
00:49:38
"URL aliases" +1
ga
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy)
00:49:40
Ok
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
00:49:45
but maybe because I am tech savvy, lol
be
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez)
00:50:02
URL aliases has some fans:
https://open.berkeley.edu/guides/site-builders-guide/url-aliases-friendly-path-names
ga
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy)
00:50:06
๐Ÿ˜„
ma
Marc Laporte (marclaporte)
00:51:16
https://gitlab.com/tikiwiki/tiki-crawl
ma
Marc Laporte (marclaporte)
00:53:57
https://github.com/spatie/crawler
ma
Marc Laporte (marclaporte)
00:54:21
https://dev.tiki.org/All-in-one-crawl-scrape-parse-tool
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
00:54:40
Is it legal?
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
00:54:43
๐Ÿ˜
ga
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy)
00:59:58
I like the Pacman progress anim.
gu
Guest: Aris
01:00:30
old school... ๐Ÿ˜Š
jo
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley)
01:01:04
๐Ÿ˜‹
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
01:01:17
im back
be
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez)
01:02:18
YunoHost is an operating system aimed at making the administration of a Linux server incredibly simple. Oddly enough, YunoHost is also a Linux distribution, based on Debian Bullseye.
ma
Marc Laporte (marclaporte)
01:08:55
Benoit's cats!
be
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez)
01:08:59
ha ha ha
be
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez)
01:09:13
(a bit optimistic)
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
01:09:15
50MB, lol
be
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez)
01:14:55
It went well in yellow is not a good color for "simple" users. (should be green) ๐Ÿ˜‰
ma
Marc Laporte (marclaporte)
01:17:05
Jean-marc will get them drunk!
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
01:17:59
๐Ÿ˜
gu
Guest: Aris
01:24:06
good.
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
01:24:27
Good work, Jean-Marc and co.
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
01:28:57
But few lines below you set it using console.php preferences:set ??? So it would work with that path too?
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
01:29:07
I guess
be
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez)
01:31:21
I will leave in 10 to 15mn but...
je
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem)
01:32:01
yes, it would work with that path. But the "back to default" button would still be thereโ€ฆ
ad
Adrien (adrien.maloba)
01:32:02
Thank you Jean-Marc for the presentation !
ga
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy)
01:32:21

+1

je
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem)
01:33:37
Related links:

ma
Marc Laporte (marclaporte)
01:33:58
What Jonny referred to: https://dev.tiki.org/Object-Attributes-and-Relations
ma
Marc Laporte (marclaporte)
01:35:05
The MR being discussed: https://gitlab.com/tikiwiki/tiki/-/merge_requests/2816
ro
Roberto Kirschbaum (robertokir)
01:38:37
Sadly I have to go! I'll catch up with you guys on Matrix to see what the conclusion was, if these qualified relations must be there before branching or not. See you, thanks!
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
01:38:55
Bye roberto
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
01:40:41
I don't get it. Cannot that be already done with Item Link and Item List fields?
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
01:42:54
I meant you could have separate Tracker, where you could save items like Drummer, Guitarist, etc. and users could choose in another tracker (like e.g. People) from them and even add new items as relations?
ma
Marc Laporte (marclaporte)
01:43:58
https://avan.tech/item10397-Tiki26-Describe-the-relation
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
01:44:19
But it might be limited to set up that other tracker with musician types first by Admin, so this new feature would solve that I understand correctly?
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
01:44:41
Thanks Marc
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
01:47:00
Oh, it;s not completely new feature. I even commented on it in 2017 it seems ๐Ÿ˜
je
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem)
01:51:35
Is this using d3.js?
ma
Marc Laporte (marclaporte)
01:52:04
@luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ ๐Ÿ˜„ ๐Ÿ˜„
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
01:53:26
Perhaps I just missed/forgot what is going to be revamped with the Relations feature (what needs to be revamped and why) ๐Ÿ˜œ
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
01:56:25
I think I can see it all in https://gitlab.com/tikiwiki/tiki/-/merge_requests/2816
be
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez)
01:56:42
@jonny..., some of us likes adventures ๐Ÿคฃ
jo
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley)
01:57:01
๐Ÿ˜
be
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez)
01:58:03
(y)
be
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez)
01:58:10
๐Ÿ‘
be
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez)
01:58:51
I have one candidate too
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
02:02:21
new features are no-go for older versions so that example is not ideal - better would be an enhancement example?
be
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez)
02:03:37
๐Ÿ˜‰
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
02:06:03
I can imagine ENH on older version branch only when it is for a feature which was endangered and removed/revamped on master (or on the latest version), so it does not have to go there. But otherwise I would prefer doing it on master always first and then backport (when not freezed).
da
Daniel Gauthier (daniam)
02:10:11
good bye everyone. Tks Bernard Jhyem for your prez.
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
02:10:32
bye Daniel
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
02:11:12
Gotta go too. Thanks for this meeting everyone!
el
Elvis ANSIMA (elvis.ansima)
02:11:28
it has been long since i last heard from Luci
je
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem)
02:11:46
Bye Daniel
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
02:11:54
@Elvis yeah, sorry about that ๐Ÿ˜Š
el
Elvis ANSIMA (elvis.ansima)
02:12:22
Luci was the first man who merged my first commits in Tiki
el
Elvis ANSIMA (elvis.ansima)
02:12:38
Hope you are doing well @luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™
el
Elvis ANSIMA (elvis.ansima)
02:13:12
๐Ÿ˜
ma
Marc Laporte (marclaporte)
02:13:13
https://dev.tiki.org/Guidelines-for-Merge-Request-reviewers
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
02:14:01
I am doing well, thanks
gu
Guest: Marcellin
02:14:06
@Jonny, I have seen you added 27 as milestone for EmojiPicker
gu
Guest: Marcellin
02:14:48
Should'nt be 26?
ga
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy)
02:14:48
Thanks, everybody.
jo
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley)
02:16:43
https://gitlab.com/tikiwiki/tiki/-/merge_requests/2481 says "tiki 26" milestone for me
gu
Guest: Marcellin
02:17:24
Ok. Seen.
lu
luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™ (luci)
02:17:37
Cheers! Byez everyone!
ib
ibrahim mussa (ibmussa)
02:17:40
Thank @marc
gu
Guest: Marcellin
02:17:48
Tks
gu
Guest: Bruno Kambere
02:17:48
Thanks
gu
Guest: Aris
02:17:50
thanks, everyone!
be
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez)
02:17:50
Thanks all
be
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez)
02:17:52
bye bye
gu
Guest: Rodriguez Nyiringabo
02:17:56
Thanks
el
Elvis ANSIMA (elvis.ansima)
02:17:58
See yah
ib
ibrahim mussa (ibmussa)
02:17:58
see you

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