robertplummer - 16:01 : Hey Marc, am I early or late?
robertplummer - 16:01 : Should I hang out or leave?
robertplummer - 16:01 : I'll come back later
Torsten Fabricius - 16:01 : hello
Guest: Niel Hirjee (deeku) - 16:01 : Hi
Torsten Fabricius - 16:01 : is sound OK there?
Torsten Fabricius - 16:01 : I cannot hear anything
Guest: Niel Hirjee (deeku) - 16:01 : its ok, nothing is being spoken
Guest: Niel Hirjee (deeku) - 16:01 : Marc has muted us all :-)
Torsten Fabricius - 16:01 : puh
Guest: Niel Hirjee (deeku) - 16:01 : It's 2:00 am here in India and quite cold by our standards - its about 10 degrees celcius - but I really wanted to be part of this live meeting. Looking forward to it.
Marc Laporte - 16:01 : Deeku: I think you win :-)
Marc Laporte - 16:01 : You are unmuted, all
Marc Laporte - 16:01 : good idea to test/play for next 15 min
Guest: Niel Hirjee (deeku) - 16:01 : ok, lets do that!
Marc Laporte - 16:01 : brb
robertplummer - 16:01 : Tiki Docs Rule!
Torsten Fabricius - 16:01 : thx
Marc Laporte - 16:01 : Deeku: I made you moderator
Guest: Niel Hirjee (deeku) - 16:01 : Wow, thanks
Marc Laporte - 16:01 : can you move the slides?
robertplummer - 16:01 : I can hear you.
Marc Laporte - 16:01 : yes
Torsten Fabricius - 16:01 : yes
robertplummer - 16:01 : You want audio from all of us?
Torsten Fabricius - 16:01 : no?
Torsten Fabricius - 16:01 : anybody can here me?
Marc Laporte - 16:01 : Deeku: you should see previous and next buttons on the presentation
Guest: vigb - 16:01 : i can't hear you torsten... :(
Guest: Niel Hirjee (deeku) - 16:01 : Yes, I see those.
Guest: Niel Hirjee (deeku) - 16:01 : me neither, torsten
Torsten Fabricius - 16:01 : I just had a chat with jonny on skype - just to test and it worked
Torsten Fabricius - 16:01 : grrrmbl
Guest: Bernard Sfez (yonixxx) - 16:01 : Hi there
Torsten Fabricius - 16:01 : but I can here some of you
Torsten Fabricius - 16:01 : s.b. seems to do washing up or so ;-)
Guest: Bernard Sfez (yonixxx) - 16:01 : is someone speaking ?
Guest: Niel Hirjee (deeku) - 16:01 : yes, but sound is garbled.
Guest: vigb - 16:01 : i hope not. it!s like packing stuff near the mic
robertplummer - 16:01 : Sounds like a mouse is playing with the mic.
robertplummer - 16:01 : No verbal audio, just odd pops.
robertplummer - 16:01 : I hear that
Torsten Fabricius - 16:01 : hi jonny
robertplummer - 16:01 : Torsten you are silent.
Guest: zwacklmann - 16:01 : we are here to listen ;)
Torsten Fabricius - 16:01 : yes robert
robertplummer - 16:01 : :)
Torsten Fabricius - 16:01 : I log out and back in
Guest: Bernard Sfez (yonixxx) - 16:01 : is the video working ?
Torsten Fabricius - 16:01 : yes
robertplummer - 16:01 : Neal, you are good!
robertplummer - 16:01 : I have some horsing around here, muted.
Marc Laporte - 16:01 : better now?
robertplummer - 16:01 : Man BBB has come a long way.
xavi - 16:01 : polom
Torsten Fabricius - 16:01 : polom xavi
Marc Laporte - 16:01 : I heard Ron Paul!
Guest: zwacklmann - 16:01 : lol
Guest: gezza - 16:01 : hiAll
Guest: Bernard Sfez (yonixxx) - 16:01 : i beleive it would be better to use headset and not rely on laptop mic/speakers
Torsten Fabricius - 16:01 : I for myself use the headset and tested it a few minutes ago - sound and mic was ok - now no mic
robertplummer - 16:01 : Polom xavi
xavi - 16:01 : hi robert :-)
robertplummer - 16:01 : Are there only 4 cameras allowed at a time?
xavi - 16:01 : I didn't switch mine ;-)
Torsten Fabricius - 16:01 : I think there are more allowed
xavi - 16:01 : (I don't want bandwidth nor cpu issues here)
Guest: Bernard Sfez (yonixxx) - 16:01 : i'll close mine to make room
Torsten Fabricius - 16:01 : oh
robertplummer - 16:01 : Presenter only perhaps?
xavi - 16:01 : sounds wise
robertplummer - 16:01 : For clarity and bandwidth.
robertplummer - 16:01 : polom Sylvie!
xavi - 16:01 : thks robert :-)
Jyhem - 16:01 : hi !
  - 16:01 : Welcome to live.tiki.org You can also join in this conference by calling +1-877-SOS-Tiki from a regular phone.
Torsten Fabricius - 16:01 : Hi Jean-Marc
Guest: Bernard Sfez (yonixxx) - 16:01 : it has started ?
xavi - 16:01 : hi Jyhem
Guest: sylvieg - 16:01 : yes
Jyhem - 16:01 : yes
Guest: vigb - 16:01 : yes
Guest: zwacklmann - 16:01 : yes
Jyhem - 16:01 : who's guest ?
Marc Laporte - 16:01 : 12 people: yay!
luciash d' being - 16:01 : heya tikians
robertplummer - 16:01 : yea
Guest: sylvieg - 16:01 : why I am guest..
robertplummer - 16:02 : Perhaps you didn't log in?
Guest: Bernard Sfez (yonixxx) - 16:02 : we r all guest unless modo
Torsten Fabricius - 16:02 : because you might not be loged in at the community site
luciash d' being - 16:02 : luci is bleu
Torsten Fabricius - 16:02 : (tiki.org)
Guest: Niel Hirjee (deeku) - 16:02 : mouse over the guest to see the indentity, Jyhem
Guest: sylvieg - 16:02 : is there sound or only video?
Guest: sylvieg - 16:02 : ok
Jyhem - 16:02 : Ahhh, OK. Guest onn the list the chat and named i
Guest: sylvieg - 16:02 : +1
xavi - 16:02 : yes
xavi - 16:02 : some echo
luciash d' being - 16:02 : we hear you with nice echoes
robertplummer - 16:02 : Echo
luciash d' being - 16:03 : :)
robertplummer - 16:03 : How about we unmute ourselves when we want to say something.
xavi - 16:03 : yes
Guest: Niel Hirjee (deeku) - 16:03 : Push to Talk
robertplummer - 16:03 : And then mute when not needed.
robertplummer - 16:03 : Nope
xavi - 16:03 : nope
Guest: vigb - 16:03 : less echo
Guest: sylvieg - 16:03 : better
robertplummer - 16:03 : Perhaps it was me.
robertplummer - 16:03 : lol
Torsten Fabricius - 16:03 : low echo
luciash d' being - 16:03 : nice
xavi - 16:03 : :-)
Jyhem - 16:03 : 17
robertplummer - 16:04 : Webinar = mini tiki fest!
robertplummer - 16:04 : (Quick everyone get a beer)
Torsten Fabricius - 16:04 : cool
robertplummer - 16:04 : jk
Bernard Sfez - 16:04 : coffee here :)
Torsten Fabricius - 16:05 : I make a tea and check the fridge for beer
robertplummer - 16:05 : Irish tea/coffee ;)
robertplummer - 16:05 : Tea + Liquir
Bernard Sfez - 16:05 : shuuutttt....
Bernard Sfez - 16:06 : 5 gezza ? :)
Guest: sylvieg - 16:07 : lost sound
robertplummer - 16:07 : Audio went trashy
robertplummer - 16:07 : back
jonnybradley - 16:07 : hi all
Guest: gezza - 16:07 : just 1 gezza :)
Guest: sylvieg - 16:07 : back
robertplummer - 16:07 : jonny polom
Guest: gezza - 16:07 : keep losing conenction
Marc Laporte - 16:08 : <a href="event:http://webodf.org/"> <u>http://webodf.org/</u></a> 
robertplummer - 16:08 : :)
Bernard Sfez - 16:08 : clap clap
Jyhem - 16:08 : \o/
robertplummer - 16:09 : Or you've migrated to Chrome OS
Torsten Fabricius - 16:10 : question:
Jyhem - 16:10 : How about concurrent editing ?
Guest: sylvieg - 16:10 : is it a text ? an html?
Torsten Fabricius - 16:10 : you cannot format?
Torsten Fabricius - 16:11 : setting up a new document from scratch ... #
Guest: sylvieg - 16:11 : +1
Bernard Sfez - 16:11 : sound is now almost perfect
xavi - 16:11 : yes :-)
luciash d' being - 16:11 : collaborative editing is cool
Marc Laporte - 16:12 : https://github.com/Pita/etherpad-lite
xavi - 16:12 : yes, like the old synchroedit, etherpad lite sounds awesome
Marc Laporte - 16:13 : <a href="event:http://dev.tiki.org/Realtime+Collaborative+Wiki"> <u>http://dev.tiki.org/Realtime+Collaborative+Wiki</u></a> 
luciash d' being - 16:13 : /me waves at gary :)
Gary Cunningham-Lee - 16:13 : hi luci 
luciash d' being - 16:13 : are we recording this or not btw ?
Torsten Fabricius - 16:13 : good idea
robertplummer - 16:14 : Yea, hotkeys.
luciash d' being - 16:14 : ok, just did not know how to check or see we are being recorded ;)
robertplummer - 16:14 : Next push it toolbar.
Gary Cunningham-Lee - 16:14 : Are we sharing our cameras?
robertplummer - 16:14 : Big hurdle is done, pushing files to and from browser without actually downloading to the desktop.
Bernard Sfez - 16:14 : Yes but we decided to switch off to prserve bandwidth
Gary Cunningham-Lee - 16:15 : OK, thanks.
Bernard Sfez - 16:15 : we saw you if that was the question :)
Marc Laporte - 16:15 : <a href="event:http://webodf.org/demo/"> <u>http://webodf.org/demo/</u></a> 
Gary Cunningham-Lee - 16:15 : (just as well - not too photgenic at 6:20 a.m.)
xavi - 16:15 : g'morning gary! :-)
luciash d' being - 16:15 : thanks for the link marc
Bernard Sfez - 16:15 : :) 23:20 here
Jyhem - 16:15 : Does odf handle diffs between versions ?
Gary Cunningham-Lee - 16:16 : good morning, xavi :-)
robertplummer - 16:16 : File Gallery is now used as a platform.
robertplummer - 16:18 : What is the stability like with WebDAV?
luciash d' being - 16:19 : is odf what libreoffice uses ?
Guest: Niel Hirjee (deeku) - 16:19 : WebDAV not easy to set up for most users but works well after setup
Torsten Fabricius - 16:19 : luci: yes
xavi - 16:19 : Jyhem, about diffing odf docs, maybe something could be done as a starting point if any developer wants to try: 
Philippe Cloutier - 16:19 : Jyhem: <a href="event:http://www.deltaxml.com/samples/track-changes/"> <u>http://www.deltaxml.com/samples/track-changes/</u></a> 
xavi - 16:19 : RE: How to DIFF .ODF files?OpenDocument files are zipped XML based documents. Unzip them and compare the resulting content.xml files (note that there are some other directories and files created as well during unzipping).
luciash d' being - 16:19 : if yes, then you would need to extract it (it is zip packed) and inside is bunch of xml to diff
Torsten Fabricius - 16:19 : I aM GREEN NOW
xavi - 16:19 : from <a href="event:http://www.kde-forum.org/artikel/16416/how-to-diff-odf-files.html"> <u>http://www.kde-forum.org/artikel/16416/how-to-diff-odf-files.html</u></a> 
Torsten Fabricius - 16:20 : sorry for accidentially shouting (caps lock)
luciash d' being - 16:20 : as xavi said (too fast, man)
robertplummer - 16:20 : I like your transition from draw to webdav.
robertplummer - 16:20 : 1 uses the other.
Jyhem - 16:21 : thanks for the links, RP & Xavi
Torsten Fabricius - 16:21 : thx aswell
robertplummer - 16:21 : We wouldn't have WebODF if we didn't have Marc.
luciash d' being - 16:22 : :)
xavi - 16:22 : yes, thks to the coders and the funder
Torsten Fabricius - 16:22 : three times "hey"
Torsten Fabricius - 16:22 : hey hey hey
jonnybradley - 16:22 : reminder note for the dev discussion: what are we going to do about the webdav lib we're using? (dead project)
luciash d' being - 16:23 : hmmm, good question jonny
robertplummer - 16:23 : I think the feature is actually called "Tiki Draw (svg-edit)"
xavi - 16:23 : SVG = xml for vectorial graphs
robertplummer - 16:23 : lol
Jyhem - 16:23 : Is that with another webdav lib ?
robertplummer - 16:24 : credit where it is due
xavi - 16:24 : :)
xavi - 16:24 : hey, nice zooming
xavi - 16:24 : was it with bbb???
luciash d' being - 16:24 : hehe
luciash d' being - 16:24 : yep
xavi - 16:24 : nice :-)
robertplummer - 16:25 : SVG-edit in 9 is ajax powered!
xavi - 16:25 : "wohoo" <- robert likes hearing this
xavi - 16:25 : ;-)
Torsten Fabricius - 16:25 : I have realised problems with editing across tiki and inkskape
Torsten Fabricius - 16:26 : in tiki 9
luciash d' being - 16:26 : is not ajax term dead ? :-p
robertplummer - 16:26 : it is what it is
luciash d' being - 16:26 : on decline since the last year ;)
robertplummer - 16:26 : What do they use now?
robertplummer - 16:27 : No need to talk about what has become the norm?
Bernard Sfez - 16:27 : Is it one to one draw or collaborative ? (or will be)
luciash d' being - 16:27 : they still use it, they do not just call it ajax but jQuery :-p
luciash d' being - 16:27 : just making bad jokes, sorry
luciash d' being - 16:27 : :)
robertplummer - 16:27 : lol
robertplummer - 16:28 : Flip the face!
luciash d' being - 16:28 : svg-edit rocks actually - almost like inkscape
Torsten Fabricius - 16:28 : question: can you draw a flow?
robertplummer - 16:28 : flow?
luciash d' being - 16:29 : you mean flowchart or "flow" like in bezier curves ?
Torsten Fabricius - 16:29 : color to transparency
luciash d' being - 16:29 : ah, it is called gradient
luciash d' being - 16:29 : i think
Jyhem - 16:29 : So, it is stored in the filegal as SVG, I suppose. A nice thing for the future would be a "download as png" option straight from the failegal
Torsten Fabricius - 16:29 : ah yes this i meant
robertplummer - 16:30 : Jyhem, just download as svg.
luciash d' being - 16:30 : gradients are no problem
Torsten Fabricius - 16:30 : can marc show one?
Jyhem - 16:30 : robert: I certainly would. I think of users
luciash d' being - 16:30 : Jyhem: you can do diffs on SVG, not on png
robertplummer - 16:30 : I think the only real problem we have is background images, no?
robertplummer - 16:31 : Otherwise support is pretty solid, right marc?
Philippe Cloutier - 16:31 : Bernard Sfez
luciash d' being - 16:31 : :)
Bernard Sfez - 16:31 : sry
sylvie - 16:31 : somebody speaks in hebreu?
luciash d' being - 16:31 : some cultural break
robertplummer - 16:31 : You dirty rat.
Jyhem - 16:31 : I want to keep it stored as svg, just an additional download as png
luciash d' being - 16:31 : :)
Bernard Sfez - 16:31 : could me :)
Bernard Sfez - 16:31 : Is it one to one draw or collaborative ? (or will be)
anonymous - 16:31 : ya mann...
robertplummer - 16:31 : Jyhem, would need a toolkit to do it.
Philippe Cloutier - 16:32 : well, Robert's quality was gound. Marc's sound quality is so so
Gary Cunningham-Lee - 16:32 : What is the use case for drawing in Tiki compared to making the image locally?
jonnybradley - 16:32 : bbb definitely better than previous, pls pass on thanks! :)
Gary Cunningham-Lee - 16:32 : (Just to be devil's advocate)
Philippe Cloutier - 16:32 : s/gound/good/
robertplummer - 16:32 : Gary, just that
Marc Laporte - 16:32 : <a href="event:http://dev.tiki.org/Realtime+Collaborative+Drawing"> <u>http://dev.tiki.org/Realtime+Collaborative+Drawing</u></a> 
Torsten Fabricius - 16:32 : I realised some compatibility problems between tiki svg draw and inkscape
Marc Laporte - 16:32 : <a href="event:http://noosfero.org/Development/ActionItem2240"> <u>http://noosfero.org/Development/ActionItem2240</u></a> 
robertplummer - 16:32 : In tiki 9 we get a few more goodies in svg-edit.
robertplummer - 16:33 : One in particular, editing jpg, png images.
Jyhem - 16:34 : Torsten: Inkscape needs to improve :-) Or tiki svg's next version could improve it.
Torsten Fabricius - 16:34 : :-D
luciash d' being - 16:34 : robert: you mean importing them ? or actually bitmap editing ?
Gary Cunningham-Lee - 16:35 : Yes, thanks, Marc.
Bernard Sfez - 16:35 : +1 on BBB improvment (but should start with mic muted) ;)
xavi - 16:35 : May I remind the url with the outline for the webinar?:
xavi - 16:35 : <a href="event:http://tiki.org/January+2012+Webinar"> <u>http://tiki.org/January+2012+Webinar</u></a> 
robertplummer - 16:36 : Yea BBB = solid gold.
robertplummer - 16:36 : Just themes you mean?
Torsten Fabricius - 16:36 : hehe
xavi - 16:36 : he he ... jonnyb? custome search with ajax preview?
Torsten Fabricius - 16:36 : Tiki class
Torsten Fabricius - 16:36 : nice one
jonnybradley - 16:37 : yes, could do i guess - it's sort of public
luciash d' being - 16:37 : i have one project but it is in early start, not ready to show off i think
robertplummer - 16:37 : Marc, you mean just cool looking tiki sites?
xavi - 16:37 : he he, if you do, I?ll show a demo of tiki + pluginR :-)
jonnybradley - 16:37 : <a href="event:http://otaku.be/ta"> <u>http://otaku.be/ta</u></a> 
Guest: Niel Hirjee (deeku) - 16:37 : I have a news scroller which takes content from a tiki page and displays it as a scrolling module
robertplummer - 16:37 : <a href="event:http://division7inc.com"> <u>http://division7inc.com</u></a> 
Guest: Niel Hirjee (deeku) - 16:37 : <a href="event:http://dalhousieinstitute.in"> <u>http://dalhousieinstitute.in</u></a> 
Torsten Fabricius - 16:37 : I could show to get hints what to improve on design
Torsten Fabricius - 16:37 : just a beginner in that
luciash d' being - 16:38 : yes
Philippe Cloutier - 16:38 : perfect Jonny
xavi - 16:38 : yes
luciash d' being - 16:39 : jonny: the images work when refresh tiki cache
robertplummer - 16:39 : I love when things work.
luciash d' being - 16:39 : wiki page cache
sylvie - 16:39 : are we supose to see something?
Torsten Fabricius - 16:39 : I see the pics now
luciash d' being - 16:39 : nice
jonnybradley - 16:39 : <a href="event:http://otaku.be/ta"> <u>http://otaku.be/ta</u></a> 
xavi - 16:39 : it works for me
luciash d' being - 16:39 : how is the paypal integration working ?
Gary Cunningham-Lee - 16:39 : Images appear after doing a search.
xavi - 16:39 : yes
xavi - 16:40 : thks
luciash d' being - 16:40 : herdcore compress on the logo ;)
jonnybradley - 16:40 : client did the logo :P
Torsten Fabricius - 16:41 : which one now?
luciash d' being - 16:41 : jonny: sure thing :)
Guest: hchaps - 16:41 : will a recording of this webinar be made available online to reference?
Jyhem - 16:42 : What site are we talking of ?
sylvie - 16:42 : car you retype the site
Guest: Niel Hirjee (deeku) - 16:42 : <a href="event:http://dalhousieinstitute.in"> <u>http://dalhousieinstitute.in</u></a> 
luciash d' being - 16:42 : ah, great
Marc Laporte - 16:42 : hchaps: we hope so
robertplummer - 16:43 : Private site: (snip) , but I'd still like to mention it. 
xavi - 16:43 : NeesFlash module?
robertplummer - 16:43 : SourceForge Username
Philippe Cloutier - 16:44 : NewsFlash left
Marc Laporte - 16:44 : Super!
Guest: Niel Hirjee (deeku) - 16:44 : <a href="event:http://mhsforgirls.edu.in"> <u>http://mhsforgirls.edu.in</u></a> 
Guest: gezza - 16:44 : jonny: wow, search is really quick, looks convincing. did you make some fine tuning or is outofthebox this fast?
Torsten Fabricius - 16:44 : <a href="event:http://go-man.eu"> <u>http://go-man.eu</u></a> 
Torsten Fabricius - 16:45 : <a href="event:http://project.go-man.eu"> <u>http://project.go-man.eu</u></a> 
jonnybradley - 16:45 : all the fixes i've done are in trunk and will be in tiki 9
Torsten Fabricius - 16:45 : web.vafk-karlsruhe.de
Torsten Fabricius - 16:45 : <a href="event:http://web.vafk-karlsruhe.de"> <u>http://web.vafk-karlsruhe.de</u></a> 
Guest: gezza - 16:46 : great. pls just add the progress bar to the index building so it wont timeout on shared hosting :)
Torsten Fabricius - 16:46 : I just can write
jonnybradley - 16:46 : yes, this one takes about an hour to rebuild (so it's on a cron job)
Torsten Fabricius - 16:46 : my mic is not working in this bbb room
robertplummer - 16:48 : yea, later.
xavi - 16:48 : yes, for next month: +1
robertplummer - 16:48 : lol
Bernard Sfez - 16:50 : ...
xavi - 16:50 : now
luciash d' being - 16:50 : what ? :)
luciash d' being - 16:51 : rofl
xavi - 16:51 : anonymous are shy :-)
Philippe Cloutier - 16:51 : qwe don'T hear you anonymous2
luciash d' being - 16:52 : perhaps it can be also mic problems
Philippe Cloutier - 16:52 : try activating your webcam when you present yourself
anonymous - 16:52 : Hi, I'm anon 1, my name is Steve and I don't have my mike or camera set up for communicating. I'm essentially sitting in to test BBB and to see what these are about.
Torsten Fabricius - 16:52 : my mic is defenitely positive working, but NOT in BBB
Philippe Cloutier - 16:52 : same here
Philippe Cloutier - 16:52 : we here junk Gary
luciash d' being - 16:52 : gary is a robot
luciash d' being - 16:52 : :)
Jyhem - 16:53 : was that japanese?
Marc Laporte - 16:53 : Gezza from hungary :-)
luciash d' being - 16:53 : at least it sounded like
Philippe Cloutier - 16:53 : hi Gezza
Bernard Sfez - 16:53 : :)... Yokoshima effect
luciash d' being - 16:53 : japanese robot
Gary Cunningham-Lee - 16:53 : hmm, sorry about bad audio :-/
luciash d' being - 16:54 : np
Torsten Fabricius - 16:54 : never mind gary - at least you are here 
Gary Cunningham-Lee - 16:54 : -)
luciash d' being - 16:54 : it happens to all of us ;)
Bernard Sfez - 16:54 : i would have prefer to have bad audio than to do that poor presentation at midnight :D :D :D
Torsten Fabricius - 16:54 : apropos - what going on with google maps / openstreetmap?
Guest: vigb - 16:54 : I`ll beter write: I`m working in a small company in hunagary. I use tiki for the company intranet. Project blogs, forums, knowlege base, etc. I came here, see the news, and grab some ideas..
Torsten Fabricius - 16:54 : seems to be not realyy this not that
Torsten Fabricius - 16:55 : in pre 9
Marc Laporte - 16:55 : too loud Jonny
sylvie - 16:55 : did you call me?
sylvie - 16:55 : sylvie and jonny with the sound - could not understood
Philippe Cloutier - 16:55 : not yet sylvie
Bernard Sfez - 16:55 : :)
Torsten Fabricius - 16:56 : *gg*
sylvie - 16:56 : because it is the best
luciash d' being - 16:56 : :)
sylvie - 16:56 : agree
Guest: gezza - 16:56 : @vigb: u r from hungary?
Marc Laporte - 16:56 : Jonny: your mic is a bit too strong :-)
Bernard Sfez - 16:56 : or too big ! :D
Torsten Fabricius - 16:56 : marc: you might adjust your speakers? ;-)
sylvie - 16:57 : jquery is the solution for people who hate javascript
Torsten Fabricius - 16:57 : jonny: since when you are with Tiki?
jonnybradley - 16:58 : since version 1.8
Torsten Fabricius - 16:58 : cool
Bernard Sfez - 16:58 : Did i have this french accent too when i spoke ? ;)
jonnybradley - 16:58 : but only contributing since about 3.0
Jyhem - 16:59 : I work a lot on my french accent :-)
Philippe Cloutier - 17:00 : Hi. I have no microphone but I'm a developer/consultant for 2-3 years. I live in Canada, the first version I installed was 1.7. I started a couple of personal projects but none is finished yet. I'm better on the backend and I work on security a bit.
Bernard Sfez - 17:00 : :)
Torsten Fabricius - 17:00 : brb
Bernard Sfez - 17:01 : robert i hear you 5/5, really cool
luciash d' being - 17:01 : robert has good equipment :)
Bernard Sfez - 17:02 : :)
luciash d' being - 17:02 : best introducion ever sylvie :)
Bernard Sfez - 17:02 : lol
Torsten Fabricius - 17:02 : rehi
Torsten Fabricius - 17:02 : hi 
Torsten Fabricius - 17:02 : no
Torsten Fabricius - 17:02 : not in bbb
Bernard Sfez - 17:03 : ola 
Torsten Fabricius - 17:03 : it is! working
Jyhem - 17:03 : yes
luciash d' being - 17:03 : yes
Jyhem - 17:03 : shout!
Philippe Cloutier - 17:03 : not loud
Bernard Sfez - 17:03 : get closer to your mic
jonnybradley - 17:03 : Torsten - did you try the flash settings? right click somewhere here...
Philippe Cloutier - 17:03 : yes
Jyhem - 17:03 : you sound very far
luciash d' being - 17:03 : yep
Bernard Sfez - 17:03 : not THAT closer
Jyhem - 17:03 : good
luciash d' being - 17:03 : lol
Marc Laporte - 17:03 : hhehehe
Bernard Sfez - 17:03 : :)
Bernard Sfez - 17:05 : Torsten ! Torsten ! Torsten ! 
Torsten Fabricius - 17:05 : I can type
Torsten Fabricius - 17:05 : iuf you want
Torsten Fabricius - 17:06 : but I moved 200 km
Torsten Fabricius - 17:06 : thx
luciash d' being - 17:06 : i would like to introduce you czech NTD TV bureau <a href="event:http://www.ntdtv.cz"> <u>www.ntdtv.cz</u></a> using trackers for news production extensively - but that will be in some of the next webinars i guess... first I promised a guide tour to Marc ;) 
Torsten Fabricius - 17:06 : yes
Torsten Fabricius - 17:06 : I am doing a lot of volontary organisation website
Torsten Fabricius - 17:06 : nearly everything I run on pre-9
xavi - 17:07 : workspaces.... that nice keyword...
Marc Laporte - 17:07 : <a href="event:http://wikiforyou.eu/"> <u>http://wikiforyou.eu/</u></a> 
luciash d' being - 17:07 : hehe
Torsten Fabricius - 17:07 : I use tracker for a help ticket system
xavi - 17:07 : yay!
robertplummer - 17:07 : Woohoo!
Guest: Niel Hirjee (deeku) - 17:08 : Gary, used one of your themes on <a href="event:http://sangeetashram.in"> <u>http://sangeetashram.in</u></a> 
sylvie - 17:09 : weneed to go closer to html5 too..
luciash d' being - 17:09 : tiki ashram :) nice
sylvie - 17:09 : and use button only...
Guest: hchaps - 17:09 : sorry - just rejoined.  are we now talking about tiki features?  or still big blue button functionality?
jonnybradley - 17:09 : how about jquery-ui buttons?
sylvie - 17:09 : and the jquey button ui - is nice too
sylvie - 17:09 : :-)
jonnybradley - 17:10 : :)
luciash d' being - 17:10 : still users presentation now
Bernard Sfez - 17:10 : i vote for the use of the webcam when speaking for the next webinar
xavi - 17:10 : hchaps: user presenetation previous to dev discussion
Philippe Cloutier - 17:10 : hchaps: Everyone is being presented. we skipped you
Guest: hchaps - 17:10 : ok
Philippe Cloutier - 17:10 : vigb we don'T hear
luciash d' being - 17:11 : we can hear your typing vigb
Bernard Sfez - 17:11 : ol
Philippe Cloutier - 17:11 : we hear you not loud hchaps
Bernard Sfez - 17:11 : get closer to your mic... but not TOO close :)
xavi - 17:11 : yes
luciash d' being - 17:11 : yeah, great
Jyhem - 17:11 : much better
Marc Laporte - 17:11 : :-)
Guest: vigb - 17:12 : sorry, I tought, I`m muted....
luciash d' being - 17:12 : we use it for "intranet" too with BBB integrated (0.7 still)
Philippe Cloutier - 17:12 : vigb we don'T hear even if you're not muted
Philippe Cloutier - 17:12 : oh OK we hear
luciash d' being - 17:12 : np :)
Guest: Niel Hirjee (deeku) - 17:13 : :-)
luciash d' being - 17:13 : for me the time is perfect
Philippe Cloutier - 17:13 : hehehe
Gary Cunningham-Lee - 17:13 : :-)
Bernard Sfez - 17:13 : :)... 
Torsten Fabricius - 17:13 : 11pm here
Bernard Sfez - 17:14 : wife bring more coffee...
Guest: hchaps - 17:14 : can we see the topics for upcoming ones on teh live.tiki.org as well?
Bernard Sfez - 17:14 : sudo su wife bring more coffee...
luciash d' being - 17:14 : Bernard, is it a wish or a nice reality ?
luciash d' being - 17:14 : lol
Torsten Fabricius - 17:14 : marc
Torsten Fabricius - 17:15 : please say it again
Bernard Sfez - 17:15 : yes wasn't clear
xavi - 17:15 : <a href="event:http://tiki.org/January+2012+Webinar&no_bl=y#Developer_discussion_30_min_"> <u>http://tiki.org/January+2012+Webinar&no_bl=y#Developer_discussion_30_min_</u></a> 
Torsten Fabricius - 17:15 : hi
Bernard Sfez - 17:15 : lu : just joking at 12pm i usually toast
luciash d' being - 17:16 : toast ? lol
Marc Laporte - 17:16 : Tiki Suite: https://suite.tiki.org/
luciash d' being - 17:16 : great, greetings to california
Bernard Sfez - 17:16 : XEN, does your name has a connection with XEN VPS ? 
Gary Cunningham-Lee - 17:16 : XEN: cool, I'm from Klamath Falls, Oregon originally - a little north of Mt. Shasta.
robertplummer - 17:17 : {report}
Bernard Sfez - 17:17 : Robert definitly win the price of the best audio 
luciash d' being - 17:18 : yeah
luciash d' being - 17:18 : robert: what is your PC and mic setup ? gonna buy it ;)
sylvie - 17:18 : is it in tiki8?
Guest: XEN - 17:18 : Gary: cool. I'm originally from GA. love the oregon/north california area, been here ~8 years.
sylvie - 17:19 : ... the problem with doc - it is tiki8 and we can not do the doc when developping
sylvie - 17:20 : the structure is in a tiki page?
xavi - 17:20 : screenshots? trunkdoc.tiki.org or similar? at least some text... <- all these do help
sylvie - 17:20 : a json?
Guest: XEN - 17:20 : XEN -- no relation to XEN VPS.  my name is short for Xendarboh. which I translate to me: "to give a psychedelic divinity from a far away place".  It's a name that came to me loud & clear as I was recovering from broken neck and back injuries ~4 years ago.
Bernard Sfez - 17:21 : Aoutch... Sport ? Bike ?... life ?
Guest: gezza - 17:21 : report plugin: can you reuse a report definition in another page?
luciash d' being - 17:21 : XEN: whoa
Guest: XEN - 17:22 : freak accident... hanging upside down from something that collapsed... heh. all good now. my life got upgraded :)
Bernard Sfez - 17:22 : Bionic ?
Guest: vigb - 17:22 : tiki 9 sounds verry promising. cool new features. When will it be released?
sylvie - 17:22 : so the wiki page inside the plugin is automatically populated?
Torsten Fabricius - 17:22 : Tiki 9 is very very coool
Guest: gezza - 17:23 : it is like a filter constructor on Tiki content?
Philippe Cloutier - 17:23 : vigb: <a href="event:http://dev.tiki.org/Tiki9"> <u>http://dev.tiki.org/Tiki9</u></a> 
Bernard Sfez - 17:23 : +1 about TK9 sound promising
Guest: vigb - 17:23 : will it meet the deadline?
Torsten Fabricius - 17:24 : it should
sylvie - 17:24 : Benard for a guy whois only using lts ..... ;-)
Torsten Fabricius - 17:24 : I hope so - promised some people to get LTS soon ;-)
robertplummer - 17:24 : {report}
Philippe Cloutier - 17:24 : hehe Sylvie
luciash d' being - 17:25 : LTS is the best :)
Bernard Sfez - 17:25 : hey hey Sylvie ! I have almost 3 version per website (6p, 8 and trunk) 
Guest: gezza - 17:25 : is it linked with unified search index?
Bernard Sfez - 17:25 : but yes my prods are LTS
jonnybradley - 17:25 : hmmm, {report} didn't much like my 12,000 item tracker! :D
Jyhem - 17:25 : What do you put in the plugin contents ?
luciash d' being - 17:25 : jnny: lol
Torsten Fabricius - 17:26 : I am doing everything with pre-9 now and suggest customers to start with it and then stick with LTS - not start with 8 now
robertplummer - 17:26 : <a href="event:http://dev.tiki.org/Report"> <u>http://dev.tiki.org/Report</u></a> 
jonnybradley - 17:26 : luckily, it's a wiki page, so i can edit it :)
robertplummer - 17:26 : right right
sylvie - 17:27 : it is difficult to add a new feature in report?
sylvie - 17:27 : ex: report on user
robertplummer - 17:27 : very very easy
sylvie - 17:27 : how much programmation must be done
Jyhem - 17:28 : I broke <a href="event:http://dev.tiki.org/Report"> <u>http://dev.tiki.org/Report</u></a> whith "hello" in the content 
sylvie - 17:28 : ok
sylvie - 17:29 : so you just have to decalre the field and the link to tiki somewhere
robertplummer - 17:29 : <a href="event:http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/trunk/lib/core/Report/Definition/Tracker.php?revision=39585&view=markup"> <u>http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/trunk/lib/core/Report/Definition/Tracker.php?revision=39585&view=markup</u></a> 
Jyhem - 17:29 : I meant demo.tiki.org/Report
Guest: gezza - 17:30 : report considers permissions on the objects?
luciash d' being - 17:30 : how does Report differ from Trackerlist ? that it can report from anything ? wikis, file gals, blogs, forums, etc. ?
Gary Cunningham-Lee - 17:31 : <a href="event:http://demo.tiki.org/trunk/Report"> <u>http://demo.tiki.org/trunk/Report</u></a> ? But fatal error. 
Jyhem - 17:31 : <a href="event:http://demo.tiki.org/trunk/tiki-index.php?page=Report"> <u>http://demo.tiki.org/trunk/tiki-index.php?page=Report</u></a>  
luciash d' being - 17:31 : ok, i see, thanks
Bernard Sfez - 17:32 : Fatal error: Class 'Report_Definition_' not found in /www/htdocs/w00ec615/trunk/lib/core/Report/Builder.php on line 23
Guest: gezza - 17:32 : is it reusing the indexed data at unified index or it makes its own queries real time on the database?
Torsten Fabricius - 17:32 : ^^
sylvie - 17:33 : is thre a documetnation page?
Jyhem - 17:33 : sound perfect
Marc Laporte - 17:33 : <a href="event:http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki+Connect"> <u>http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki+Connect</u></a> 
Marc Laporte - 17:34 : <a href="event:http://dev.tiki.org/Connect"> <u>http://dev.tiki.org/Connect</u></a> 
sylvie - 17:34 : funny for a feature promotting ... donation /community
Bernard Sfez - 17:36 : Does it use preformatted output ? I mean when submittimg a bug does it create a form where TW version, website, etc is already inserted ?
Torsten Fabricius - 17:36 : what's about sharing content?
Torsten Fabricius - 17:36 : if you talk about micro communities
Torsten Fabricius - 17:37 : any news about {HTMLFEED}?
sylvie - 17:37 : what is the difference with the dynamic/viral group
Gary Cunningham-Lee - 17:37 : I wish the INCLUDE plugin could fetch wiki content from another site. :-)
Torsten Fabricius - 17:37 : gary: you should have a look at roberts new feature
Bernard Sfez - 17:37 : Torsten we should keep connect for the Community and have a Share tab for Social Networks
robertplummer - 17:37 : Yea, gary, htmlfeed sounds like it is the exact item you want.
Gary Cunningham-Lee - 17:38 : Torsten, Ok, I'll do that.
Torsten Fabricius - 17:38 : problem I see is that no wikilugins are send - right?
Torsten Fabricius - 17:38 : I have an imprint on one site and the same imprint feeded to another installation, which is a subproject - just feeded
Philippe Cloutier - 17:39 : hahaha
luciash d' being - 17:39 : isnt it what plugin SNARF did ?
robertplummer - 17:40 : I will have to leave in a couple minutes.
Gary Cunningham-Lee - 17:40 : For me snarf isn't easy to use.
Bernard Sfez - 17:40 : i will have to sleep in a couple of minutes ;)
Gary Cunningham-Lee - 17:40 : (Last time I tried, which was years ago.)
Torsten Fabricius - 17:40 : jonny / marc: could we "push" robert in between? robert
luciash d' being - 17:41 : gary: agreed
xavi - 17:42 : Jison, proposed by sylvie?
Philippe Cloutier - 17:42 : Marc: please try increasing the distance with your microphone.
robertplummer - 17:42 : {HTMLFEED()}Content here{HTMLFEED}
Torsten Fabricius - 17:43 : yes, you need to clear cashes after changig feeded content
robertplummer - 17:43 : {htmlfeedlink}
Marc Laporte - 17:43 : Philippe: done
luciash d' being - 17:43 : you mean cashes or caches ?
robertplummer - 17:43 : tiki-feed.php?type=html
Torsten Fabricius - 17:43 : caches
xavi - 17:43 : doc: <a href="event:http://doc.tiki.org/PluginHtmlFeedlink?"> <u>http://doc.tiki.org/PluginHtmlFeedlink?</u></a> 
Gary Cunningham-Lee - 17:44 : HTMLFEED seems to solve the problem of how to have duplicate docs, like at doc.t.o and themes.to.o.
xavi - 17:44 : ok, found it: <a href="event:http://doc.tiki.org/HtmlFeed"> <u>http://doc.tiki.org/HtmlFeed</u></a> 
Torsten Fabricius - 17:44 : yes
Marc Laporte - 17:45 : code is here: <a href="event:http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_htmlfeed.php?view=markup"> <u>http://tikiwiki.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tikiwiki/trunk/lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_htmlfeed.php?view=markup</u></a> 
Torsten Fabricius - 17:45 : I am missing the content of plugins
Gary Cunningham-Lee - 17:45 : maintain once, display several.
Torsten Fabricius - 17:45 : it is very cool for imprints
Torsten Fabricius - 17:45 : for ex
Jyhem - 17:45 : Doesn't SNARF() do something similar ?
luciash d' being - 17:45 : that sounds useful, how about security ? is it safe ?
sylvie - 17:46 : hope is it must secure than snarf
sylvie - 17:46 : ;-)
sylvie - 17:46 : most
Jyhem - 17:46 : Yes, SNARF is not very secure, but that's the spirit of the feature (both features)
luciash d' being - 17:47 : perhaps make a diff and something simmilar to the plugin approval on the feedlink side ?
sylvie - 17:47 : snarf does not need the other one cooperation - htmlfeed needs it
Jyhem - 17:47 : Ahhh
luciash d' being - 17:47 : when htmlfeed side changes
Torsten Fabricius - 17:48 : then you need to clear the cach <-> both sides?
sylvie - 17:48 : will be fun witht he bill they want to vote in US...
Torsten Fabricius - 17:49 : it is very cool and I already use it!
Jyhem - 17:49 : We could still show the previous version while waiting for approval
luciash d' being - 17:49 : it is great but must be done - finished perfectly
sylvie - 17:49 : somebody will always find a use...
luciash d' being - 17:49 : to have no holes
Torsten Fabricius - 17:50 : robert: what is about wikiplugin content -> inmages or calendar items?
Guest: XEN - 17:50 : sounds very useful to me.
luciash d' being - 17:50 : it should compare wiki syntax code, not the results displayed
Gary Cunningham-Lee - 17:51 : For the docs at least, it'll be good, for sure.
Jyhem - 17:51 : luci : +1
luciash d' being - 17:51 : i mean it should copy the actual wiki code, not the html result
Torsten Fabricius - 17:51 : luci: ?
sylvie - 17:51 : yes snarf says I want this page selected by this regexp kindof
luciash d' being - 17:52 : it would probably need kind of the wiki code feed on the feed side
robertplummer - 17:53 : Heading out, great meeting!
Torsten Fabricius - 17:53 : I have a usecase, where it would be useful to send the content of wikiplugins and not the code
luciash d' being - 17:53 : i mean to prevent dynamic content changes it would be better if it sent the wiki code instead of interpreted html
jonnybradley - 17:53 : bye robert, thanks!
Gary Cunningham-Lee - 17:53 : Thanks a lot, Robert. :-)
Torsten Fabricius - 17:53 : robert, bye and thank you
Jyhem - 17:54 : Thanks Robert
luciash d' being - 17:54 : thanks rob
Bernard Sfez - 17:54 : tks
robertplummer - 17:54 : Torsten, a wiki param would be all that is needed.
robertplummer - 17:54 : Thanks guys.
Torsten Fabricius - 17:54 : cool robert
Torsten Fabricius - 17:54 : hoping for it
robertplummer - 17:54 : Look out for the new Parser sometime soon!
robertplummer - 17:54 : :)
robertplummer - 17:54 : byw
robertplummer - 17:54 : bye
Torsten Fabricius - 17:54 : firsttester will be
xavi - 17:54 : what are we discussing now?
xavi - 17:54 : Revamped Tiki Trackers usability (proposed by Jyhem)?
xavi - 17:54 : ok 
xavi - 17:55 : <a href="event:http://tiki.org/January+2012+Webinar&no_bl=y#Batch_on_our_bug_tracker"> <u>http://tiki.org/January+2012+Webinar&no_bl=y#Batch_on_our_bug_tracker</u></a> 
luciash d' being - 17:56 : it definitely needs some love
Philippe Cloutier - 17:56 : There was a discussion about automated bug closure about a year ago on tiki-devel.
sylvie - 17:58 : suppose the effort for lts needs to have an effort on bug tracker cleaning
Philippe Cloutier - 17:58 : Xavi: I don't see the link to the mailing list
sylvie - 17:59 : it will be a good way to improve qualty of a LTS
sylvie - 17:59 : change status for eah LTS
Torsten Fabricius - 18:00 : pre status change notice ... easy but smart
Bernard Sfez - 18:02 : We could use Tiki Connect to generate bug/wish report(item) from a page. With improvements it can auto fill TW version, feature and many more thing.
xavi - 18:03 : chealer: I copied the content of the discussion in a link there
Torsten Fabricius - 18:03 : bernard: good idea
xavi - 18:03 : chealer: <a href="event:http://dev.tiki.org/Batch+actions+on+the+bug+tracker"> <u>http://dev.tiki.org/Batch+actions+on+the+bug+tracker</u></a> 
luciash d' being - 18:03 : i think it should be dedicated position - person who would love to help with just that
luciash d' being - 18:03 : or more persons - a bug tracker team
Torsten Fabricius - 18:05 : sound not bad
Philippe Cloutier - 18:06 : In Debian's terminology an issue owner has responsability to address the issue: <a href="event:http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control#owner"> <u>http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control#owner</u></a> 
Torsten Fabricius - 18:06 : mabe a problem if you use categories for so much stuff - navigation, userrightmanagement, status changes, perspectives etc.
jonnybradley - 18:07 : we should do a custom search for the wishes (current tracker filter seems to be broken)
Philippe Cloutier - 18:07 : Xavi: thanks. I could not find a link to that from this week's webinar page.
luciash d' being - 18:07 : jonny: in LTS it still works - the tracker filter
jonnybradley - 18:08 : broken on dev.t.o :(
xavi - 18:08 : chealer: did you rfresh? (I hadded it one hour ago)
xavi - 18:08 : as title
xavi - 18:08 : and link
Philippe Cloutier - 18:08 : xavi: oh OK, sorry
Philippe Cloutier - 18:08 : thanks
sylvie - 18:08 : ... btut for me it will everything except the perm lib ;-)
luciash d' being - 18:09 : sylvie ?
Bernard Sfez - 18:09 : ... another way is to fix non-critical things by features. Meaning there is no owner, but team (need a supervisor) take care at each release to empty one or more feature bugs/wishlist.
sylvie - 18:09 : marc anted to identify who knows what
sylvie - 18:10 : we are probably 10 dev... guesss that can say everything
luciash d' being - 18:10 : ah
Torsten Fabricius - 18:10 : marc: if I as non-coder identify s.th as a bug -> whom to forward?
Torsten Fabricius - 18:11 : status: autoclosed
sylvie - 18:12 : I vote for a half day with all the devs and some beer a quick review
sylvie - 18:12 : one dev knows
luciash d' being - 18:12 : couldnt it be just highlighted items and from time to time someone checks the checkboxes, chooses action and it closes the bugs and sends notifications about review to owners ? it doesnt have to be totally automated imho
luciash d' being - 18:12 : just easier to do
sylvie - 18:12 : it takes to much time - ok I fix that is there a bug repor for that
Bernard Sfez - 18:13 : Torsten that's part of the problem we are not organized (or don;t want) to have dedicated dev. We should avoid having to forward to someone.
Jyhem - 18:13 : Some bugs and wishes actually refer to Tiki versions which are officially not supported any more
Torsten Fabricius - 18:14 : Bernard: shure, but what's the point for me then to review the bugreports, if I could not fix them by myself?
luciash d' being - 18:14 : i could do that easily in Pretty trackers imho
sylvie - 18:14 : we need automatic voice recognizion - close item12
luciash d' being - 18:15 : sylvie: :)
Torsten Fabricius - 18:15 : :-)
Bernard Sfez - 18:15 : torsten: agree that's why i vote for collaborative work.... kind of session like we do now
Bernard Sfez - 18:15 : lol
Torsten Fabricius - 18:15 : bernard: you mean collaborative closing - a session for stuff like that?
sylvie - 18:15 : you can close n items at teh time...
luciash d' being - 18:15 : marc: that is what i am talking about
Jyhem - 18:16 : Do you type the text for the emails or is it a canned template mail ?
sylvie - 18:16 : trackerfilter with specific action at least
Torsten Fabricius - 18:16 : heheheheh looool
sylvie - 18:16 : he - you can do taht marc
Bernard Sfez - 18:16 : Torsten: yes.
Torsten Fabricius - 18:16 : canned template mail ... a new feature request for tiki!!
luciash d' being - 18:16 : one click close+send custom mail notifications from template via pretty tracker
Jyhem - 18:17 : if it's not canned, there is a risk of attracting spammers
luciash d' being - 18:18 : i m not because it is hard to do / ugly
Marc Laporte - 18:18 : dev.tiki.org/Calendar
luciash d' being - 18:18 : i check just mails recently :-(
luciash d' being - 18:18 : and even that is bloated
luciash d' being - 18:18 : hard to read
sylvie - 18:18 : it is easy to dev guys..
sylvie - 18:18 : or notif on ???
jonnybradley - 18:19 : {list} now surely?
sylvie - 18:19 : you watch the categ or the item?
luciash d' being - 18:19 : jonny: definitely :-)
xavi - 18:19 : {list} needs documentation
luciash d' being - 18:20 : we can play with {list} on dev
sylvie - 18:21 : /me will never watch bug tracker.. I can do my own list
luciash d' being - 18:21 : dev.t.o
Torsten Fabricius - 18:21 : what does {list} do?
Jyhem - 18:21 : Torsten: +1
luciash d' being - 18:21 : lists the bugs ;)
sylvie - 18:21 : the problem is that devs have their own list and user \s have different one
luciash d' being - 18:21 : lists the tracker items iirc
Bernard Sfez - 18:21 : /me will never write in bug tracker.. I use Sylvie list :)
luciash d' being - 18:21 : or anything else
Bernard Sfez - 18:22 : looks good
jonnybradley - 18:22 : {list} uses the unified search, much like trackerlist but for everything
luciash d' being - 18:22 : xavi: filter the list and one click should do that
luciash d' being - 18:22 : ah, u mean period
luciash d' being - 18:22 : 1 year ?
sylvie - 18:23 : jonny +1 to put on next meeting
luciash d' being - 18:23 : +1
jonnybradley - 18:23 : good plan (i'll make sure i sleep the night before ;)
luciash d' being - 18:24 : hehehe
Bernard Sfez - 18:24 : +1
luciash d' being - 18:24 : 0:24 here
Bernard Sfez - 18:24 : 1h30 here
sylvie - 18:24 : I can not follow new stuff - stuck in fixing regressions with angry customers these last 6 months
luciash d' being - 18:24 : got my coffee
sylvie - 18:24 : perhaps it is time to stop the meeting
Bernard Sfez - 18:24 : got my pyjama
sylvie - 18:25 : and everybody do alist for next meeting
luciash d' being - 18:25 : automated can be done on page hit or cron
Bernard Sfez - 18:25 : 12 month seams reasonnable
Torsten Fabricius - 18:25 : is anybody aware about articles not possible to be transaled anymore?
luciash d' being - 18:25 : no other way imho
Torsten Fabricius - 18:25 : 12 month
luciash d' being - 18:25 : +1 for 12 months
Gary Cunningham-Lee - 18:25 : From the submitter side, 12 months seems like a long time to me.
sylvie - 18:25 : problem: betweeen LTS
sylvie - 18:25 : each LTS goes to pending
Bernard Sfez - 18:25 : Mmm Gary is right
Torsten Fabricius - 18:25 : 12 month / 1 month or 12 month / 2 weeks
luciash d' being - 18:25 : sylvie: is it a homework for next meeting ?
Philippe Cloutier - 18:26 : some issue tracking systems have subcategories
luciash d' being - 18:26 : make your own {list} and showcase ?
Philippe Cloutier - 18:26 : like KDE's Bugzilla
Torsten Fabricius - 18:26 : anybody knows the parameters for{list}?
Philippe Cloutier - 18:26 : if you have hundreds of top-level categories, reporters can't look at them all
Torsten Fabricius - 18:27 : +1 philippe
jonnybradley - 18:27 : some here: <a href="event:http://doc.tiki.org/pluginlist"> <u>http://doc.tiki.org/pluginlist</u></a> 
luciash d' being - 18:27 : tks jonny
Philippe Cloutier - 18:27 : Gary: a long time? the submitter usually wants as long as possible so he's not bothered
Torsten Fabricius - 18:27 : thx jonny
Gary Cunningham-Lee - 18:28 : Philippe, I mean I would expect some feedback or something sooner than 12 months.
Gary Cunningham-Lee - 18:29 : (unless I'm missing something in the discussion here)
sylvie - 18:30 : but xavi is able to send a mail to a dev : you can fix that
sylvie - 18:30 : my micro is not working anymore
Gary Cunningham-Lee - 18:31 : /me probably not fully awake ;-)
Philippe Cloutier - 18:31 : Gary: right. but we're not talking about "useful" feedback here, just canned responsed.
Philippe Cloutier - 18:31 : Asking you if you can still reproduce a bug
Torsten Fabricius - 18:31 : Gary: 12 month => notification mail => further 2 or 4 weeks autoclose - if I understood right
Gary Cunningham-Lee - 18:31 : oh, ok.
sylvie - 18:31 : if somebody can read the bug.. and be able to say this dev can fix it ...
luciash d' being - 18:31 : xavi: i can test what {list} versus {trackerlist} can do
Torsten Fabricius - 18:32 : heheheh
Torsten Fabricius - 18:32 : canned response
sylvie - 18:32 : I do not want to spend 1h to figure out if it is a bug a setting..
jonnybradley - 18:32 : will do
Torsten Fabricius - 18:32 : just tested a {list} - seems to be interesting
jonnybradley - 18:32 : the cuztomsearch bit is only in trunk so far tho
Torsten Fabricius - 18:32 : from jonny: <a href="event:http://doc.tiki.org/pluginlist"> <u>http://doc.tiki.org/pluginlist</u></a> 
luciash d' being - 18:33 : jonny: is it "skinnable" ?
sylvie - 18:33 : thx everybody
luciash d' being - 18:33 : like pretty tracker ?
Torsten Fabricius - 18:33 : sylvie -> this might be a task for a non-yet-coder like me
jonnybradley - 18:33 : yes, you can use wiki tpls (or real ones)
luciash d' being - 18:33 : jonny: cool
sylvie - 18:33 : torsten - yes yoiu know us
Torsten Fabricius - 18:33 : figuring out bug or setting
sylvie - 18:34 : but I have my own very long lists...
Torsten Fabricius - 18:34 : i am pretty shure you have
luciash d' being - 18:34 : sylvie: share them ;)
Torsten Fabricius - 18:34 : yes sylvie
sylvie - 18:34 : some paid one and some because I am pissed out
luciash d' being - 18:34 : lol
sylvie - 18:34 : hello world need to be rewriten
Torsten Fabricius - 18:35 : mine are only pissed ones - just got my first payment this weekend
jonnybradley - 18:35 : sorry, couldn't really follow J-M
Bernard Sfez - 18:35 : gyus i'm done... Thanks all. if the next webinar can be a little earlier :)
Torsten Fabricius - 18:35 : jyhem: sorry, but I didn't get it
Torsten Fabricius - 18:36 : and my sound is always breaking
sylvie - 18:36 : bernard: you need to invite gary in israel
Torsten Fabricius - 18:36 : for what jyhem?
Gary Cunningham-Lee - 18:37 : heh :-) 
Torsten Fabricius - 18:37 : using?
Bernard Sfez - 18:37 : I have done it already ;) But yes whenever you want.
luciash d' being - 18:37 : Jyhem: isnt it already matter of pretty trackers ? or you mean an API to trackers ?
jonnybradley - 18:37 : the jquery-ui datagrid might help?
Torsten Fabricius - 18:37 : one for adding and one for... ?
sylvie - 18:37 : +1 for Marc
Torsten Fabricius - 18:37 : +1
sylvie - 18:37 : not too difficult
xavi - 18:38 : +1
sylvie - 18:38 : it can be repet that for another item
Torsten Fabricius - 18:38 : like status change or so?
Torsten Fabricius - 18:38 : or ownership
luciash d' being - 18:38 : ah, like in spreadsheet ?
sylvie - 18:39 : like a mysql query
sylvie - 18:39 : s/a/one/
luciash d' being - 18:39 : /me thinks it is too late here also to understand ;)
sylvie - 18:39 : not service but tracer managment
Torsten Fabricius - 18:39 : /me hopes that articles translation will be remembered
jonnybradley - 18:39 : <a href="event:http://wiki.jqueryui.com/w/page/34246941/Grid"> <u>http://wiki.jqueryui.com/w/page/34246941/Grid</u></a> 
Torsten Fabricius - 18:40 : /me never really understood webservices
sylvie - 18:40 : jquery rules :-)
luciash d' being - 18:40 : please repeat
Bernard Sfez - 18:40 : yes repeat 
Torsten Fabricius - 18:41 : ^^ not yet there ( at multilingual trackers)
luciash d' being - 18:41 : the question was ?
Philippe Cloutier - 18:41 : Jyhem asked if people knew how multilingual trackers work.
Torsten Fabricius - 18:41 : will in the future - about 1/2 or 3/4 of a year
Bernard Sfez - 18:41 : no we didn't hear clearly :)
luciash d' being - 18:41 : yes, it works
Torsten Fabricius - 18:41 : so I do not know
sylvie - 18:41 : a textarea is mulitlingual at will
sylvie - 18:41 : .. ok test in tiki6
Torsten Fabricius - 18:42 : I might test it in pre-9 if you want
luciash d' being - 18:42 : you need multilingual set on field and two languages set and then it shows two textareas for example
luciash d' being - 18:42 : to fill in both languages
sylvie - 18:42 : you have to fill each filed of an textarea multilingual
sylvie - 18:42 : so you input fr/en..
Torsten Fabricius - 18:43 : I once activated by accident and then I had several textfields instead of one
sylvie - 18:43 : then when you are in en it will display only en field if exists
Torsten Fabricius - 18:43 : one for each language
luciash d' being - 18:43 : yep
sylvie - 18:43 : agree
sylvie - 18:43 : tiki6 ok
sylvie - 18:43 : on waht version?
Torsten Fabricius - 18:44 : tiki pre-9 several language textfields
luciash d' being - 18:44 : there are some prerequisities to set up, but i can confirm it works in LTS
Bernard Sfez - 18:44 : welcome
sylvie - 18:44 : I do not solve the problem ... I thought but user complain
sylvie - 18:44 : ?
Bernard Sfez - 18:44 : ah for my case nobody complains anymore :)
xavi - 18:45 : +1 for nelson also :-)
Bernard Sfez - 18:45 : it was very interesting ! +1
Jyhem - 18:45 : who comes to FOSDEM ?
Torsten Fabricius - 18:45 : marc - would you or me add articles translation for next month pls?
sylvie - 18:45 : :-)
jonnybradley - 18:45 : well done all - promise i'll be more perky next time!
Torsten Fabricius - 18:45 : thx everybody
Bernard Sfez - 18:45 : Goodnight all
xavi - 18:45 : thks to all. g'night
sylvie - 18:45 : nice dreams
Jyhem - 18:46 : bye all
Guest: gezza - 18:46 : thanks,bye
Gary Cunningham-Lee - 18:46 : Thanks everyone.
Torsten Fabricius - 18:46 : n8 all
Philippe Cloutier - 18:46 : see you later everyone
Torsten Fabricius - 18:47 : rehi
Marc Laporte - 18:47 : I will copy log!
Torsten Fabricius - 18:47 : yupi - good plan