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    Posted by Uli posts: 19

    Hi all,
    I've set up a server to host a community a few weeks ago with Tiki 21 LTS. Since I ran into some issues I thought it may be wise to wait for Tiki 24 LTS and upgrade, before reporting bugs for a years old version... 😎

    Well - last weekend I did the update and found out, that nothing changed with regards to my issues. 😢

    Now here is my biggest one - and I have no idea if this is a bug or a setting somewhere I don't find...

    The permissions of the forums are set as follows:
    Everyone (including Guests) may:
    - tiki_p_forum_read
    - tiki_p_forum_post
    - tiki_p_forum_post_topic

    Registered Users can additionally:
    - tiki_p_forum_attach
    - tiki_p_forum_autoapp (will also be applied to guests after GoLive)
    - tiki_p_forums_report
    - tiki_p_forum_vote

    Subadmins / Moderators and Admins have also these permissions:
    - tiki_p_admin_forum
    - tiki_p_forum_edit_own_posts

    Being online as Admin or Subadmin all runs fine in the forums.

    But while guests and normal users can reply in existing threads they can't create new ones - the button "Create Thread" (or similar, I run Tiki in German language where the button is named "Neues Thema") is missing. They see only the button "List Forums".

    Apart from the permissions above I have also found the setting in ControlPanels => Forums => Threads (set minimum amount of Posts). Default value is 10 here. I had set it to 0. May this be the reason?
    Setting it for testing to 1 (while I have 2 guest answers existing) should enable each guest to create threads - right? Well - it doesn't. The button is still missing.

    So most probably the problem comes from somewhere else...

    Anyone any ideas?

    Thanks and best regards
    Uli

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    Posted by Rick Sapir / Tiki for Smarties posts: 3665 United States

    Those 3 permissions in the Anonymous group should be sufficient to allow anyone to post to the forum.

    Let's start with the easy things first.

    • Did you clear your caches, after making changes?
    • Confirm that your Registered group correctly inherits the Anonymous group.
    • Are you using any category permissions for the forums?


    Now, let's look at your specific forum settings?

    • Is the "Flat Forum" option enabled? (This disallows new posts — users can only reply to the first post)
    • Do you have individual permissions for the forum? (They will override the global permissions)


    HTH,

    - Rick | My Tiki Blog | My Tiki UserPage

    Why be a dummy? Get smarty! TikiForSmarties.com
    Tiki for Smarties, your source for the best (and only) Tiki books, guides, and tutorials.
    Posted by Uli posts: 19

    Hi Rick,
    thanks for your feedback.

    Rick Sapir / Tiki for Smarties wrote:
    Those 3 permissions in the Anonymous group should be sufficient to allow anyone to post to the forum.

    This was my assumption, but... no. 🙄

    Rick Sapir / Tiki for Smarties wrote:

    Let's start with the easy things first.

    • Did you clear your caches, after making changes?
    Not sure... now I did, but no success.

    Rick Sapir / Tiki for Smarties wrote:
    • Confirm that your Registered group correctly inherits the Anonymous group.
    In the forum permissions?

    I can confirm: All permissions given to anonymous are also given to all other groups.
    Or did you mean something else?

    Rick Sapir / Tiki for Smarties wrote:
    • Are you using any category permissions for the forums?
    For some boards I do - but not for those where ANONYMOUS shall be able to write.


    Rick Sapir / Tiki for Smarties wrote:

    Now, let's look at your specific forum settings?

    • Is the "Flat Forum" option enabled? (This disallows new posts — users can only reply to the first post)
    It was active. Plus the function "Allows quoting in flat forums" - to me "Flat" meant "no tree structure within threads". A mistake?

    (Btw. Checked meanwhile - and yes, now I have a kind of tree structure...)
    Well - however: Switching to "Threaded" (and clearing the cache 😀) didn't solve the problem.

    Rick Sapir / Tiki for Smarties wrote:
    • Do you have individual permissions for the forum? (They will override the global permissions)
    In some board I have - but again not in the ones Anonymous users shall be able to write.


    Any further suggestions?
    Thanks and
    best regards
    Uli

    Posted by Rick Sapir / Tiki for Smarties posts: 3665 United States
    Uli wrote:
    Any further suggestions?


    I'm not sure. I have a test Tiki 24 site, and I granted the following permissions to the Anonymous group:

    • tiki_p_forum_read
    • tiki_p_forum_post
    • tiki_p_forum_post_topic


    And all users (even those who are not logged in) can create a new topic (thread) in the forum.

    I think you have a conflict somewhere either with:

    • Group inheritance
    • Category or Forum-specific permissions
    • Forum settings


    HTH,

    - Rick | My Tiki Blog | My Tiki UserPage

    Why be a dummy? Get smarty! TikiForSmarties.com
    Tiki for Smarties, your source for the best (and only) Tiki books, guides, and tutorials.
    Posted by Uli posts: 19

    Hi Rick,
    thanks for you answer last year.

    I gave up back then, dropped the whole installation and started everything from scratch. Things work now as they should.

    Looking back my suspicion is a problem between the permissions and categories. In the previous installation I had (as far as I remember) all forums associated with any category (without limiting the permissions by most of these).
    Now I use categories only for the forums with limited permissions - this way it works as I want it to. 😊

    Best regards
    Uli

    Posted by Marc Laporte posts: 1639 Canada
    Uli wrote:
    this way it works as I want it to. 😊


    Great! I hope you never need to re-install and start over. Because Tiki's permissions are so flexible and powerful, it's easy to get mixed up. And there could be a bug. We created Module permissions to help troubleshooting.

    Best regards,

    Marc