Volunteering Facilitator: Bernard Sfez
Thursday, April 17, 2014 at 19:00:00 UTC time (click for time zone in your city)
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Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): Hello Bernard :) Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): I'll be back at 19h00 so recording start right in time, cu Xavi (xavi): polom Nelson (koth): polom robertplummer: Gettings anonymous: hello ! Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): Whi is anonymous Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): ? Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): :) anonymous: damn, Tiki logged me out in between :D anonymous: brb Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): Hello everyone Xavi (xavi): sylvie = sylvieg???? Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): Hello Sylvie ! Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Hello ! sylvie: hello - I have no microphone luciash d' being (luci): hi again ! :) Xavi (xavi): @sylvie: ohhhhhh :-) Nice to see/read you again! robertplummer: Hey Luci! Been a while since I have seen you. Xavi (xavi): hi luci, Gary, robert and all (btw) Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Hello Sylvie :) robertplummer: Hi Xavi. JM, Sylvie. Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): polom everybody robertplummer: hi torsten! Xavi (xavi): there are still some listed here: http://dev.tiki.org/Tiki12#Blockers Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): https://dev.tiki.org/Tiki12 Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): tks Xavi Xavi (xavi): Jean MArc? Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): is there a way to make the presentation bigger? luciash d' being (luci): "non-parsed tiki syntax is ignored" is marked as blocker ? Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): readable? Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): a button or so? Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): can't understand you Xavi (xavi): +1 to remove item5172 from blockers Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): must restart luciash d' being (luci): +1 Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): must restart too robertplummer: Is everyone restarting because of audio issues? Nelson (koth): can you say something? Xavi (xavi): and in fact, issues with wysiwyg loosing content: they are not affecting standard installs, isn't it?, so shouldn't be a blocker then? (item5164 , and the one related to tracker text areas with wysiwyg loosing content) luciash d' being (luci): dogfood testing Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): Yes I had audio issues now better Nelson (koth): http://tiki.org/TikiFestT13Alpha Nelson (koth): http://tiki.org/TikiFestT13Alpha Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): item5172 is about losing content which was between on upgrade to Tiki12, but since I seem to have been the only person to do that... robertplummer: Luci, you kinda look like a James Bond villain. robertplummer: just saying :P luciash d' being (luci): robert: which one, lol :D Xavi (xavi): hey, Gary, you wear glasses.... Xavi (xavi): Google glasses? ;-) Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): From everyone JM please Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): My laptop has small text size so these are reading glasses. robertplummer: Luci: a good one. Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): jiamcatt.org Nelson (koth): http://tiki.org/TikiFestT13Alpha#Schedule Nelson (koth): http://tiki.org/TikiFestT13Alpha#Schedule robertplummer: A good bad villain. luciash d' being (luci): http://tiki.org/show:TikiFestT13Alpha#s12 Xavi (xavi): luci, did you notice our dog? Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): Unfortunatly it has been cancelled. luciash d' being (luci): yeah ! luciash d' being (luci): xavi: :) robertplummer: No way of upgrading? Xavi (xavi): :-) robertplummer: I'm a dog guy too Xavi. Xavi (xavi): yes, I heard it :-) robertplummer: upgrading I mean to 5.5 in php. Xavi (xavi): and so is Gary, afair robertplummer: Xavi, good, I had it aimed in your general direction. robertplummer: :P Xavi (xavi): :-D luciash d' being (luci): :D Xavi (xavi): Hey, Gary and friend! luciash d' being (luci): two dogs here in da house but they are not allowed to participate in webinars ;-) robertplummer: To be clear, this is wysiwyg CKEditor, correct? Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): I use wysiwyg Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): re polom robertplummer: Hi Torsten. Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): you have cut your hair? robertplummer: Me? I need one. Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): really? is short already robertplummer: It is almost time to get it hacked off. Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): do not use an axe luciash d' being (luci): Wysiwyg is luckily quite usable nowadays I would say, isn’t it ? luciash d' being (luci): in 12 at least Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): luci: I still do not like it so much robertplummer: luci, for things liek bold, sure. robertplummer: luci, you start pushing it, and it breaks. Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): polom Gavin Crenshaw (Jshauk): polom Xavi (xavi): hi Jonny! luciash d' being (luci): hmmm, maybe i do not push it too much ;-) robertplummer: hi jonny Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): what time is the 10 o'clock meeting? (sorry, i'm late!) Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): luci: I hope for wikiLingo ... still in some alpha, but I see it growing and already have one usecase, where I prefer it Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): jonny: it is the 19:00 UTC meeting, but UK is usually one hour after us .. isn't it? Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): /me feel unlucky today with audio... luciash d' being (luci): one of my clients complained about Wysiwyg converting to wiki syntax by default :-p so I had to switch it off so he could edit HTML in the Wysiwyg source view as he was used to - irony ... Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): /me aswell Bernard ... not really perfect ... different loudness per person Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): I do not get all Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): and I cannot read the schedule Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): (too small) luciash d' being (luci): seems he did not make it luciash d' being (luci): ah, jhe is here, as guest Xavi (xavi): Gary? luciash d' being (luci): i see Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): yes Nelson (koth): Hi Gary too soft luciash d' being (luci): hi Guest: gezza - no audio it seems Xavi (xavi): fyi: https://doc.tiki.org/BigBlueButton luciash d' being (luci): nice it works :) Xavi (xavi): old doc (bbb 0.80, but worth reading at least once those of you who are not used to bbb :-) Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): +1 for that Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): lacking today - flying in and out Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): sorry luciash d' being (luci): what means "chrome" ? Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): gary: document bigger please? luciash d' being (luci): +1 Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): +1 for tiki.css Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): +1 Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): are the bootswatch themes options right now? I do not like so much as options Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): /me likes Robert's t-shirt Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): can you read what it say ? Xavi (xavi): /me likes it also :-) luciash d' being (luci): yes, options Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): ha ha ha Xavi (xavi): ok, I like your t-shirt, Torsten, too :-) Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): :-D thx luciash d' being (luci): column switching should work at least luciash d' being (luci): also full fluid width (as opposed to fixed width) would be nice, but i can override, if not there, not big issue Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): fun is the whole point, hurrah! :) luciash d' being (luci): who ? luciash d' being (luci): not me Bernard TREMBLAY (Trebly): My first webinar, Hi, luciash d' being (luci): Hi Trebly, you are welcome :) Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): hi Trebly Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): sure Bernard T.? welcome Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): Thank you Gary Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): ahh I see you first time :-) luciash d' being (luci): Trebly: are you talking about max-widths ? Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): say it again? Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): luci, luciash d' being (luci): I think in Bootstrap it is done fixed width too but using some predefined grids luciash d' being (luci): yes Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): fixed-width style bad managed up to 12? Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): fluid width is possible by just defining the container div as 100%. Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): .container is bootstrap's "fixed-width" div. luciash d' being (luci): i do not see a problem here, I think we do not have problem here in Tiki 12 nor in 13 Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): dev.tiki.org Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): content template? luciash d' being (luci): Gary: even with the bootstrap grids defined ? they change to percentual ? Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): agenda? (sorry) Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): luci / gary: grid always relative? just .container fixed and done? Xavi (xavi): Trebly: "Commit early, commit often". I'm afraid you have too many things in your custom branch, that could be too diverged from current trunk luciash d' being (luci): +1, put it on a wiki page Trebly please, thanks Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): I'm also waiting for this page and an experimental branch Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): The grid divs are always percentages. Xavi (xavi): I wish you could get close to trunk again luciash d' being (luci): Gary: ah, thanks, did not know that (me ashamed) Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): heh, no worries. Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): when we have an expermimental branch, i can make a demo on demo.to//showcases_and_experiments/ Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): luci / gary ... that is how I understand bootstrap - and no need to make anything fixed below .container Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): but so far, I can only wait Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): please Bernard Trebly: wikipage on dev.tiki.org + experimental branch luciash d' being (luci): u can upload the page again in the prezentation window ? Bernard TREMBLAY (Trebly): I listen now Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Wonderful sound quality ^^ Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): wow, yes Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): he has some equipment Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): +1 Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): that was short luciash d' being (luci): +1 for not breaking the content :) luciash d' being (luci): this is XHTML :) luciash d' being (luci): IIRC there was FANCYLIST plugin now gone in wikiLingo replaced by simple ordered list sytnax luciash d' being (luci): anyway, not important, go on Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): +1 Robert touch screen text editor ! Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): :) Nelson (koth): Touch screen text editor :) luciash d' being (luci): what you touch is what you get ? luciash d' being (luci): :-p Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): :D luciash d' being (luci): my precious tabs Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): :) luciash d' being (luci): btw, &cookietab=2 does not work in trunk anymore Nelson (koth): hmm, ok -one for next week :) luciash d' being (luci): what do u use for these unit tests ? Gavin Crenshaw (Jshauk): he used testify for the unit tests i think luciash d' being (luci): tks Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): +1 for "good to have brought wikiLingo to 13"!!! Xavi (xavi): +1 (congrats Robert) Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): clap clap... Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): should I quickly show a usecase, where I use wikiLingo! Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): ? Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): if very short ? Xavi (xavi): Torsten, maybe not now, maybe at the end if there is time left? Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): Xavi ? Xavi (xavi): Jonny wanted to do a short demo of surveys in tiki13, and he seems to be in a hurry? luciash d' being (luci): i just want to say it is full of potential and looks great - we just need to settle it down and remove redundant libs if possible (wikilingo/codemirror ?) and simplify Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): Xavi, no problem .... I can at any time, just have to do some stuff - Xavi, let's say it so: if I get disconnected and did not realise, please you or Robert ring me on skype and I instantly come back in Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): Xavi, have made a little newsletter based mailing tool for a conference and use pre-13 and wikiLingo Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): I've got Git installed, thanks to Nelson and Patrick's project, but that doesn't seem to be recognized by Composer unless there's more glue stuff that has to happen. Xavi (xavi): sounds nice! :-) Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): ok, i have to go (sorry) - TikiLove to all, will try and get back before the end, if not next time, irc, dev list etc etc Xavi (xavi): ok, thks jonny Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): Thanks for dropping by , Jonny. Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): Love Jonny Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): p.s. Nelson, can you do the survey mini-demo? ta! Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Thanks Jonny, sorry you don't stay for next question :( Xavi (xavi): Torsten, then, maybe the right time is now for your demo, if the moderator is fine with it? Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): tks jonny Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): Torsteen, we are going over the second hour now and Xavi bring us an important and quite heavy topics. luciash d' being (luci): hardly hearing you Jyhem Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Tiki 9 : <img bla> → an imageTiki 9 : ~np~i → Tiki 12: → Wikilinguo Tiki13 : → an imageWikilinguo Tiki13 : ????? → Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Tiki 9 : <img bla>i → Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): <img> Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Tiki 12: <img bla> → Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): <img> luciash d' being (luci): ah, I see, but that is not Robert’s fault, is it ? :) Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): Bernaard: no problem, I just offer to quickly show and can show at any time even at latest for 1 person .... just mind, that I might be thrown out by the system and did not get, so mind to ring on skype, just in case luciash d' being (luci): is it only in wikiLingo ? wikiLingo is optional Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Wikilinguo Tiki13 : ????? → <img bla> luciash d' being (luci): i thought it is regression in Tiki parsing in general Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): you can output wikiLingo to pretty much all - given you define once Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): PDF should be quite easy Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): I feel that from the user's viewpoint there is no guessing what happens when typing code ? luciash d' being (luci): Jyhem: the problem with np not working anymore is in wiki syntax in general or only in wikiLingo ? Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): right Robert? luciash d' being (luci): use CODE plugin ? luciash d' being (luci): or HTML plugin Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): code plugin is a big block block Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): same issue with html luciash d' being (luci): inline param could do Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Can I have notallowed=everything ? luciash d' being (luci): the trick luciash d' being (luci): you can style the div with display: inline-block or display: inline CSS Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): yup luciash d' being (luci): something like -+php text-indent: 2rem $foo = "bar";+- ??? Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): That was a bit too much "and Torsten" ... I am just listening, testing, using and giving some feedback to Robert every here and then robertplummer: Tada! luciash d' being (luci): typo there robertplummer: Luci, did you see? Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): gret work and great demo Robert, thx robertplummer: thanks luciash d' being (luci): i thought it will style the plugin luciash d' being (luci): with text-indent robertplummer: -++- is not a plugin, it is a syntax ;) luciash d' being (luci): or vorder-right: solid 1px red luciash d' being (luci): aha robertplummer: The concepts are different. luciash d' being (luci): sorry then, confused Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): what is Xavi talking about? Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): Second hour luciash d' being (luci): so in the {CODE()}...{CODE} it should work, right ? Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): can you talk louder ? Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): I must go to the mail ... cannot read the presentation window Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): no, the code() plugin is very useful... for a different thing :) robertplummer: {DIV(text-indent="2em")}-+php $foo = "bar";+-{DIV} Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): too small luciash d' being (luci): robert: ok, thanks robertplummer: luci, no problem. luciash d' being (luci): so basically as a new param robertplummer: exactly! Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): No I get the context ... sorry for my confusion, audio was bad Xavi (xavi): ok Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): Xavi .. sry, keeping up now Xavi (xavi): http://tiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=Webinar%202014%2004#Second_hour_longer_topics Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): surely I stay for this important topic Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): What is the context Torsten ? I still did not get it Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): Jean-Marc, improving the community ... 12.1 four month not out, new people have difficulties to find the way to the processes etc. Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Ahh, ok luciash d' being (luci): 13 is unlucky number ;-) Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): redundancy - !!! Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): I also think we need to map better aera and task then to matche them with required skills. luciash d' being (luci): moving part of the load to a new server is good idea, +1 Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): (match) Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Remove luciash d' being (luci): +1 for remove robertplummer: for those interested in css parameters for plugins: https://github.com/wikiLingo/wikiLingo/wiki/Styling-wikiLingo-Plugins robertplummer: in wikiLingo ^ luciash d' being (luci): because we do not have resources to have more than one webinar monthly (mostly) Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Because it looks like someone organizing these for other people who never asked or felt the need for it :) Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): what is TMIT? Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Like a avideo changelog ? ^^ Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Ahh, actual demos... nice luciash d' being (luci): there was none yet, right ? or did i missed it ? Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): none Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): you missed none luciash d' being (luci): :) Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): I like the idea of having general and specific webinar. luciash d' being (luci): we already have one, do not we ? luciash d' being (luci): i thought luciash d' being (luci): YT channel Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): can anybody here me? Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): not me torsteen robertplummer: no Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): I wait until Xavi stops and try Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): agree ! Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): I agree with Xavi Nelson (koth): +1 Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): wanted to say s.th. similar Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): providing more that we can use BBB for training Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): tracker - maybe good idea Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): +1 luciash d' being (luci): i think the main issue with code.tiki.org, nextdoc, mother etc. is nobody knows about them and for what they are they useful for... probably we do not promote them enough ? Nelson (koth): https://dev.tiki.org/Tiki+Testing+with+Selenium Nelson (koth): It takes a bit of setup and we are experimenting to see if the junior dev can write tests Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): training webinars Xavi (xavi): luci, I agree. About mother, I wanted to promote it in the admin wizard for new admins, but I didn't dare to do so until the thing was working again :-) Nelson (koth): But the recipe is there on the page Nelson (koth): I think if the skill is match with the itch it will get done luciash d' being (luci): Could this help somehow with the testings: http://phantomjs.org/ ? Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Is that meant to live on the desktop or a server ? Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): One for Tiki and one for the community luciash d' being (luci): many use it, including Bootstrap luciash d' being (luci): "PhantomJS is an optimal solution forHeadless Website Testing" luciash d' being (luci): yes, hearing robertplummer: we hear you Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): hear, yes luciash d' being (luci): :) luciash d' being (luci): yes, Tiki is very powerful tool Nelson (koth): Yes, lots of people use TIki for project management, not like MS Project., but for the group collaboration aspect, it is perfect Nelson (koth): is it just me or is the sound fuzzy? Xavi (xavi): sound fuzzy Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): I am on the way of creating a collaboration site for a newly founded international association Xavi (xavi): and getting lower with time Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): (Xavi) luciash d' being (luci): sorry I cannot understand luciash d' being (luci): Torsten: sounds good Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): I do not get the context of Bernard T. (by sound) Nelson (koth): lright, Bernard. Nelson (koth): Bernard Sfez, perhaps we should wrap up? Xavi (xavi): +1 Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): Nelson, you got it? could you please sumarize in short? luciash d' being (luci): if there is nothing to add to the "community problems", Torsten, can you tell ? (or you lost sound ?) luciash d' being (luci): about wikilingo luciash d' being (luci): usecase Xavi (xavi): +1 Nelson (koth): right. Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): I lost sound ... I could quickly try a restart of the PC Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): I lost it too Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): 1 or 2 minutes Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): same restarting luciash d' being (luci): ok Xavi (xavi): Gary, no one speaking now Bernard TREMBLAY (Trebly): I lost too robertplummer: hi patrick.proulx: ya Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): yes :) Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): Ok now Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): HTML purifier isn't compatible with HTML5 as far as I know. luciash d' being (luci): doh luciash d' being (luci): :) Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): I try to run away from wysiwyg. Some clients seem to use it but in production, so not available for testing robertplummer: It is a feature, not forced. Some need it, some don't luciash d' being (luci): yes luciash d' being (luci): now if he gets audio ... Nelson (koth): But Trebly, the issue is stability luciash d' being (luci): wb torsten luciash d' being (luci): ah, gone again luciash d' being (luci): :( Xavi (xavi): mmmm, it's getting late here, I need to disconnect in short robertplummer: Bernard Tremblay, you should look at wikiLingo. luciash d' being (luci): alright xavi, if u have nothing important to say, good night ! Bernard TREMBLAY (Trebly): Yes I will robertplummer: wikilingodoesthat.com Nelson (koth): good night xavi, see you next week and I will check the tikifest schedule robertplummer: yes robertplummer: it is perfect. robertplummer: don't touch it robertplummer: Yes robertplummer: preset Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): Good night, xavi. We'll be here all next week ;-) . Xavi (xavi): Nelson, don't forget about the server with php 5.5 to restored next*.t.o and mother.t.o, etc. (and thanks for providing that new server, of course! :-) Nelson (koth): yes, amette is working on the server. He knows we need it for tikifest robertplummer: night night Xavi (xavi): ok, thanks Xavi (xavi): g'night everyone also patrick.proulx: Have a great weekend!
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