Roundtable Meeting 2020 04

Volunteering Facilitator: Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist


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Thursday, April 16th, 2020 at 14:00:00 UTC time (click to check time zone in your location)
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First hour, quick news

  1. quick update on Tiki Docker
    addition of mail server and elasticsearch
  2. new profiles by luciash d' being ๐Ÿง™
  3. demo of object relations graph by Jonny Bradley
  4. very quick discussion about keyboard shortcuts (also by Jonny Bradley)
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Second hour, longer topics

  1. Improving the "in-the-box" menu options
    I see mostly 2 kind of website. The low menu option kind using a bootstrap nav with a few items that loose important as the visitor keep browsing and numerous options menu kind that is always (most of the time) visible and need for accounting, erp, etc. websites.
    + In my opinion Tiki menu installed by default failed in both case and I always need to redo this part. Ideally we should be able to propose a "most used" menu and within a few click have the other option available.
    • Setting the brand navbar boostrap type should be the default and it should be easier to setup.
    • A left menu fixed with memory (stay on the focused item) and accordion behaviour would be an option enable quickly.
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Chat log

Marc Laporte (marclaporte):Hi everyone!
Marc Laporte (marclaporte):Just lurking :-)
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez)::)
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):Hello lurker!
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):Use Brave everyone! :-p
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez):I can see the screen
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez):Use the fulllscreen button people
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):Sorry, I don't get it at all... how did you do it? :-o :-p
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):Is it an app you installed? MailDev name?
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): http://dev.tiki.org/Docker
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): https://hub.docker.com/u/tikiwiki
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): https://github.com/fabiomontefuscolo/docker-tikiwiki
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):maybe for 2nd hour?
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci): https://profiles.luciash.eu/Custom+Closable+Banner
drsassafras:Hi Guys. Again I am text only today.
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley):Hi Brendan
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci): https://profiles.luciash.eu/COVID-19+Banner
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci): https://tki.sk
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):CSS Grid FTW! :-D
Marc Laporte (marclaporte): http://doc.tiki.org/Wiki-3D
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):How was it called? Hmm...
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):Ah! Morcego 3D it was :-)
Roberto Kirschbaum (robertokir):Nice!
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):Nice! Is it called Spider.js?
drsassafras:Looks good!
Marc Laporte (marclaporte):I have dreamed of something like this!
anonymous:I remember seeing something on the mailing-list concerning Tiki offering help to COVID-19 efforts. Is there an update on that?
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy):I haven
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy):I haven't seen anything new on that.
anonymous:would be great publicity to management. Would be nice to have an update
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem):Hi guys, I'm just out of my previous meeting
Roberto Kirschbaum (robertokir):I for Icons ?
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):Hi anonymous, who is that? .)
anonymous:David Poisson, sorry. Forgot to login into t.org
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):Ah, np, just curious :-)
anonymous:no worries!
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):H for help, E for Edit
Marc Laporte (marclaporte): https://www.diagrams.net/blog/mermaid-diagrams
Marc Laporte (marclaporte): https://www.diagrams.net/blog/insert-from-text
Marc Laporte (marclaporte): https://github.com/IGreatlyDislikeJavascript/bootstrap-tourist
anonymous:I have a quick question concerning tiki 21.
anonymous:Ok, I'll wait after Marc
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy):(I switched from MS Eege to Firefox; will check audio.)
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):Gary: your mic appears now at least
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):Before there was even no mic muted icon
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy):Heh, my video is frozen now.
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley)::D
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):Gary: I could see your video moving :-)
anonymous:Would these changes be active by default in 21?
Roberto Kirschbaum (robertokir):the popup was a workaround
anonymous:test it automatically as well?
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):Alright, as I said, if it works flawlessly then +1 to backport to 21.x
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):Change in behavior in LTS does not sound good...
anonymous:21 is an LTS version. I would be very careful when adding new features. Kind of breaks the rules in my opinion
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):yup yup
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley):i don't agree Luci, if the behaviour is buggy then fixing them in LTS is good
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):well, is it? (buggy now)
anonymous:Jonny: true, but then only cherry pick the bug fixes and backport those. Not the new features
drsassafras:Buggy LTS is also an issue. So they need to both be considered.
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):I thought it's enhancement to current field types
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy):Back with Brave browser.
anonymous:So...was it tested properly in the first place?
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):@Gary: nice :-)
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy)::-)
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem):I understand it's being tested and used in production, so I'm rather confident
drsassafras:+1 Jonny.
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy):+1
Roberto Kirschbaum (robertokir):+1
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez):+2
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem):And it concerns a new feature which is currently near unusable, so I don't think people use it much already
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem):+1
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):If the currency field type was added in 21.0 I don't expect anyone was able to develop anything much on it, but I can imagine if someone did and they made their own workarounds around the bugs if any, they can be upset if there is change in behavior in LTS
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):so the sooner the better but do not wait for later than 21.1
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):David
anonymous:David Poisson! Actually, my question was relating to the stability of v21.
anonymous:Hi Marc! Great to be here
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):Listen mode only :-)
drsassafras:no audio
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley):brb
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):But we can see him at least, hello! :-)
anonymous:give me a quick second, I'll go get a mic
Guest: guillback:david you're in listen mode it seems
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):David, I think you would need to reload - because you are on listen mode only
Roberto Kirschbaum (robertokir):lol
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):@Marc: do you have enough toilet paper hoarded?
Guest: guillback:david started in listen mode only
anonymous:No self check was offered
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):Listen mode only does not offer mic icon
Guest: guillback:he needs to refresh and join again
Roberto Kirschbaum (robertokir):did you notice theres a headset icon in his image?
anonymous:Oh well, I can simply type my question.
Fabio Montefuscolo (montefuscolo):Yes, I guess you have to reload
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez):Hello Fabio
Fabio Montefuscolo (montefuscolo):hello :-)
Fabio Montefuscolo (montefuscolo):yes
Roberto Kirschbaum (robertokir):mic gain
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem):good enough
drsassafras:That sounds good
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):dot one versions releases are usually more stable than .0
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):so aim for 21.1 (imho)
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):except of the wsod bug in installer of 21.0 ;-)
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):Yes, there is BS3 vs BS4 themes when upgrading from 18.x to 21.x
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy):There are generic guides, but also: https://themes.tiki.org/Bootstrap-3-to-4-transition
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley):sorry Marc, your audio has gone bad
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):Marc, your mic seems to be somewhere else?
Guest: guillback:max_var_input is php-fpm
Guest: guillback:not apache or nginx
Guest: guillback:both would break
anonymous:Thanks guys for the meeting. Great stuff! I have to get to another meeting at work before lunch...Cheers!
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):BB David
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):Marc, we are here!
anonymous:take care and be safe everyone
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):THE OTHER WEBCAM ;)
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):oops, sorry for the CAPs
Marc Laporte (marclaporte):ok, i moved the window :-)
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):Bernard, would a simple profile with menu and module be an option?
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):Something simple like https://tikiracing.com/home ?
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):That profile could be made featured after Tiki installation in the "wizards"
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):(If not there already)
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):So that would be good to put only simple menu with most common options like Home, About, Contact, Login and that would be it?
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):And people can add/modify it later then
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):(Rather easily with the new drag and drop menu admin hopefuly.)
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy):I often put menu 42 horizontally in the page footer, for admin only.
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy):great minds think alike ;-)
Marc Laporte (marclaporte):hahahhaha
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci)::D
Marc Laporte (marclaporte):Yay Gary!
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem):Also, why can't we create menu 1, 2, 3, etc anymore? It seems we start counting at 43 nowadays.
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):@Jean-Marc: it was always like that, no? (afaicr)
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem):did I only notice now?
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem):/me looking up
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):maybe :-D
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):do you have some ancient Tiki installed?
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley):it started at 42 in my first tiki in 1.7 ;)
Guest: guillback:jean marc did you see the docker email demo?
Guest: guillback:i remember you asked about it at the last presentation
Guest: guillback:jonny is not impressed because tiki can already dump emails to a file, but i think you will like it :-))
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem):Luci: yes, you are right. Same thing on demo.to/12.x
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem):I think we do have some documentation with examples with lower numbers
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): https://tiki.org has a menu nยฐ 1 :-)
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):wow
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):what is laradock?
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):ah, i see, your tiki-docker clone folder name
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):is it always port 8020 by default?
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):aha, added version of tiki to the port number! clever :-)
Fabio Montefuscolo (montefuscolo):I have a trick to debug email ... I start a python container with the command -it "python -m smtpd -n -c DebuggingServer localhost:25"
Fabio Montefuscolo (montefuscolo):all emails will be printed on stdout
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley):?
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):What is devup?
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):And how big is the docker image? How much space do I need to install the docker?
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): https://laradock.io
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):can you easily update the docker image?
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):like git pull way?
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):or something like that?
Fabio Montefuscolo (montefuscolo):docker pull
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):no sudo there :-D
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):@fabio docker pull? where do you run it?
drsassafras:Got to go guys.
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):bb Brendan
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez):Got to go guys... I guess the last one close the light (and it will stop the recording) ;-)
Fabio Montefuscolo (montefuscolo):docker pull is another thing
Fabio Montefuscolo (montefuscolo):sorry ...
Fabio Montefuscolo (montefuscolo):this is the way I do
Fabio Montefuscolo (montefuscolo):not related to laradoc
Fabio Montefuscolo (montefuscolo):Just for information, I wrote some containers without Tiki inside, just PHP composer, xdebug and psysh ... and it is 150mb ... based on official PHP
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):cool
Fabio Montefuscolo (montefuscolo): https://hub.docker.com/r/tikiwiki/php/tags
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem):we need an additional script which queries all versions on the server and generate yaml files :-)
Fabio Montefuscolo (montefuscolo):well, you do git pull every day right?
Fabio Montefuscolo (montefuscolo):why not docker pull
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): https://dev.tiki.org/Git+Usage#Setting_up_global_.gitignore
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):I gotta go too
Roberto Kirschbaum (robertokir):bye Luci
Roberto Kirschbaum (robertokir):I gotta go too
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):Thanks a lot for the guidance Guill!
Roberto Kirschbaum (robertokir):Thanks Guill
Roberto Kirschbaum (robertokir):bye people stay home
luciash d' being ?โ€โ™‚๏ธ (luci):be safe
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy):Thanks eveyone.
Marc Laporte (marclaporte):bye!
Marc Laporte (marclaporte):Stay safe!

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