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Roundtable Meeting 2020 09


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Volunteering Facilitator: Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist

Who

Who plans to attend? (please vote for preferred times below)

People Confirmed

People Interested

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was there?

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When


Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 14:00:00 UTC time (click to check time zone in your location)
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Votes

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Sun 13 Sep 2020 14:00 GMT-0000Wed 16 Sep 2020 14:00 GMT-0000Thu 17 Sep 2020 14:00 GMT-0000Sun 20 Sep 2020 14:00 GMT-0000Wed 23 Sep 2020 14:00 GMT-0000Thu 24 Sep 2020 14:00 GMT-0000Sun 27 Sep 2020 14:00 GMT-0000Wed 30 Sep 2020 14:00 GMT-0000

Where

What

See Roundtable Meetings for a detailed description.

Topics

First hour, quick news

  1. How to successfully use again PluginTogether for real time collaborative writing in t.o (or other sites)
  2. Check previous meeting "follow up" section if time left
  3. Let's set up ListExecute to nag bug reporters to test their bugs when set to "Please retest" (instead of just talking about it ;)

put your topic (max. 5-10 minutes) into the list above

Second hour, longer topics

1.1.1. some topics may come back in the next TRM

  • About how to improve getting feedback to new users in forums, etc.
    • Asynchronous discussions: User Forums (many) vs Users List (1)
      • indicate users to edit forum posts in t.o forums once they feel that their messages/help requests are solved, with the prefix "[SOLVED] "
        • we could add a custom module with jQuery code in it and display a "Solved" button above the Forum thread which would pre-fill "SOLVED " to the topic on click for them so they do not need to type it manually maybe?
      • there is number of Replies in the Forums displayed but they are not indexed - add that number to the Unified Search index so we can list? Jonny?

  • when / how to automatically change status of long (potentially obsolete) bug reports, etc.
    • Raise the old thread again. (and see above)

    See below under the section of "follow up" actions


  • Branching Tiki 22.x using git (let's do it and document - also merging back to trunk/master with git: how to?)


1.1.2. show2.t.o future

Server show2.t.o consumes new 10Gb every month, aprox. See those posts and their comments:


Last emergency action to get free space will probably last until January 2021, but some new solution needs to be sorted out, or current show2.t.o setup will possibly stop working soon after.

Recording

  • View and listen to the recording here.

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Follow-Up

Suggestions of actions to be taken:

1.1. Fade Section in forums

Update the message in the fade section to indicate that once the poster of a topic (the first message of a forum thread) is comfortable with the feedback received (question is answered, pointers requested were received, etc), that poster should edit the title of the forum post to add the prefix [SOLVED]
(Mike, Xavi)

1.2. Count replies to a thread

Make a wiki page to display them: Forums Dashboard

1.3. Automatically update bug reports based on some criteria

Let's set up ListExecute to nag bug reporters to test their bugs when set to "Please retest" (instead of just talking about it ;)

  • bug report with no changes in 1 year, and o or p: send reminder to reporter, & after 1 month this will automatically change to item status closed and change bug status to "Obsolete".
  • every month, check those "please retest", and send email to request testing again. After 3 months, change to item status: closed, and bug status: "Please retest"

Lets make this happen before the next month. Willing to help/make it happen: Jonnyb, xavi

1.4. Add bug reports detected during the TRM

Double session conflict with PluginTogether in t.o during the meeting.

First user clicks at the plugin together button in the side module, and go to edit the TRM page. Second user clicks also to the PluginTogether button, and click at the edit page button. We (6 users) ended up into something like one or the other session: lines added by user2 were not seen by user1 but by user 4, and some other users were in the same session as user1.
(Xavi)
https://dev.tiki.org/item7544-Prevent-usability-issue-when-more-than-1-PluginTogether-session-to-edit-same-page

Forum posts without title but body get apparently lost

(Mike) added a Bug Report here is a link

1.4.1. Updatig the Where to commit

Where to commit: Fabio & Roberto

Asking about CI pipeline free threshold in gitlab.com

Jonny asks Ricardo through the devel list.

Topic-type-is-not-shown-to-plain-registered-users-in-t-o-forums

https://dev.tiki.org/item7543-Topic-type-is-not-shown-to-plain-registered-users-in-t-o-forums

Prepare some show3.t.o

Somewhere in some faster hosting with more disk space (1Tb?, since it currently consumes new 10Gb/month)
See ongoing discussion here:


put your follow up action(s) when you're done into the list above

Chat log

Mike Finko (mikeua):I have a 'real name' registered, but it is not showing me.
Mike Finko (mikeua):I believe I am 'Brilliant beaver' as it has a 'dot' near it
Guest: luci:I am sorry I had to reload in different browser as I lost audio in Brave and it did not want me to reconnect :-(
Guest: luci:Were there any questions regarding me?
Guest: luci:How can Junior developers help when thay know zero to nothing about Tiki yet?
Guest: luci:s/thay/they
Guest: luci:Just wondering
Fabio Montefuscolo (montefuscolo):Gardening the docs
Roberto Kirschbaum (robertokir):good point!
Mike Finko (mikeua):the docs don't list which Tiki version 'Tracker Events' works with - with 18x I get a fatal error, with 21x it seems to work.
Guest: luci:Is the PluginTogether working again?
Xavier de Pedro (xavi):Luci: yes, once you disable highlighter in the session, and setup a serverurl in the plugintogether new param
Guest: luci:Now can you see me?
Guest: luci:It worked in the end but slow load
Guest: luci:Cancelled now
Guest: luci:I am watching the forums but reply only on threads I find I am able to reply
Guest: luci:I don't know how to improve this
Guest: luci:you could check with PluginList if the title contains SOLVED at least
Guest: luci:we could add a custom module with jQuery code in it which would pre-fill "SOLVED " to the topic for them so they do not need to type it manually maybe?
Guest: luci:on a "Solved" button click
Mike Finko (mikeua):Xavi - can you 'save' the page you are editing (to view updates)?
Guest: luci:"Corona Borealis" :-)
Fabio Montefuscolo (montefuscolo):22.x arrived on SVN normally
Guest: luci:Yes, from now on we need to update "Where to commit" page
Guest: luci:Commit to 22.x first, then semi-auto-merge to master, right?
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley):https://dev.tiki.org/Where-to-commit
Roberto Kirschbaum (robertokir):Hi J-M Are you trying to talk?
Guest: luci:LOL
Guest: luci:Yeah, weird noises - I thought it was caused by Xavi's typing :-D
Guest: luci:Sounded like a broken Dalek's microphone.
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem):Sorry guys, I'll switch the mike off. I'm doing 2 things at the same time (I thought the RTM was tomorrow ) :-(
Guest: luci:@Xavi, I have put some ideas on this blog post: https://tiki.org/tiki-view_blog_post.php?postId=851#threadId75204
Guest: luci:Not sure how helpful is thta?
Guest: luci:*that

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