History: WikiDev

14:28 UTC : batatata Has anyone done a Wiki Gallery?
17:43 UTC : batatata I need a wiki gallery, has anyone thought about that already?
17:44 UTC : colorado what u mean, batata
17:44 UTC : Eilorux Nice Idea Batatata
17:45 UTC : colorado what's a wiki gallery?
17:45 UTC : batatata I'm discussing it with dgd, but he went to school
17:45 UTC : Eilorux Describe it Batatata
17:45 UTC : batatata Users would be able to have wikis
17:46 UTC : batatata You create a wiki, than authorized people can go there and use it
17:47 UTC : colorado you can't already do that with user groups?
17:48 UTC : ggeller A private wiki for each user/group? Sigh...
17:50 UTC : batatata yes, I private wiki for each user/group.
17:50 UTC : batatata I need a private for each user, but the idea is for each user/group to have as many as they like, private or not
17:50 UTC : batatata like file galleries, image galleries, wiki galleries. You create a new wiki with desired permissions
17:51 UTC : Eilorux Excellent... What I was thinking WIKI was about all along.
17:51 UTC : ggeller I disagree. Wiki's are for collaboration.
17:51 UTC : ggeller Who are your users?
17:51 UTC : batatata ops, I would say "yes, a private...", but a and I sounds equal to me in different languages, 😂
17:52 UTC : ggeller Who are your users? I bet you won't find a user community that will support multiple wikis.
17:52 UTC : ggeller It is too confusing and too much work.
17:52 UTC : batatata well, wiki's are for collaboration, but this is can differ from project to project. I don't want to take the main wiki off, admin may choose not to use wiki galleries
17:52 UTC : ggeller Set up more than one tiki then. See RecipeMultiTiki on tw.o.
17:53 UTC : batatata first case, at university. we need each course to make a course wiki, so during 4 months all user will write the wiki together, one tikiwiki managing everything
17:53 UTC : batatata I won't ask the teachers to be installing tikiwikis 😊
17:53 UTC : ggeller I think you should use more than one wiki.
17:53 UTC : ggeller Set them up for them.
17:54 UTC : ggeller professorx.myuinversity.edu, professory.myuniversity.edu, etc. etc. etc.
17:55 UTC : batatata I don't need all tikiwiki replicated. The forums, content, everything can be in one tikiwiki, why setting everything up again? and why installing one by one, when I need tens of teachers to be doing this alone?
17:55 UTC : batatata and if you just need one wiki, just turn this feature off 😊
17:55 UTC : ggeller Have you read RecipeMultiTiki on tw.o?
17:56 UTC : ggeller batatata: Look at tiki-index.php and tiki-editpage.php.
17:56 UTC : batatata I've read http://doc.tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=MultiTiki
17:56 UTC : ggeller Then tell me how easy it would be to add multiple tikis.
17:56 UTC : ggeller I mean multiple wikis.
17:56 UTC : mose I work on an eaiser one even
17:57 UTC : ggeller mose?
17:58 UTC : batatata hi mose 😊
17:58 UTC : mose yo bata
17:58 UTC : batatata are you working on anything related to that?
17:59 UTC : mose well, yes, from many point of views
18:00 UTC : mose but it's not a proof of anything I work on so many things
18:02 UTC : batatata 😊. I'll have this multi wiki implemented in 1.8 by marth 10th, maybe it's worth implementing in tiki distribution
18:05 UTC : mose by march 10th ?
18:05 UTC : mose you'll have it ?
18:05 UTC : mose you code it ?
18:06 UTC : batatata I need to 😊
18:06 UTC : batatata I'm talking to dgd, he has exact same needs
18:07 UTC : mose but it's true han culturally wiki is a cloud, some details make it not easy to mulitply it in subclouds
18:07 UTC : batatata for example?
18:08 UTC : mose linking for example
18:08 UTC : mose coments and attachement dealing
18:08 UTC : mose some plugin will be a mess too I think
18:09 UTC : batatata Ah, ok... the idea is not divide the wiki for any reason, but to have many. they won't communicate
18:09 UTC : batatata I agree that if they're to be connected, than no meaning in having more than one
18:09 UTC : mose it's just like adding a pram in tiki_pages ?
18:09 UTC : batatata yes, just like that
18:09 UTC : batatata and if no param is added, it takes the main default wiki
18:10 UTC : mose oh well, that can be handled, but there still will be a problem youy add another param in query too
18:10 UTC : batatata that is The Site Wiki, not on gallery
18:10 UTC : mose for naming collisions
18:10 UTC : batatata ah, ok, we have to change whole lib to add a parameter everywhere
18:10 UTC : mose and add that param to everything thtat links to wiki
18:10 UTC : mose not only the lib
18:11 UTC : mose but each other feature that link to wiki
18:11 UTC : batatata is anything wiki-related that is not in the lib?
18:11 UTC : mose for example you can use the last_modif_pages in an article
18:11 UTC : batatata no, we don't, because this will be a separate feature. There will be one main site wiki, not in gallery. Say, wiki id 0 on site.
18:12 UTC : mose it needs then an extra param to know what wiki get last from
18:12 UTC : batatata if anything links to the wiki without passing the parameter, we assume that it's main wiki
18:12 UTC : mose there is a default one ?
18:12 UTC : mose well, that can be tried
18:12 UTC : mose I bet on some side effects that can be tricky to handle
18:12 UTC : batatata and we do that on lib level. Yes, they're separated things I think. Because we use the wiki as core site for lots of reasons
18:13 UTC : mose but no risk no fun
18:13 UTC : batatata of course 😊
18:13 UTC : batatata so, we maintain this core, that can be used for site content. the other wikis are not core-integrated to tiki, they're just wikis about something that a user can create
18:15 UTC : batatata If I did this just for me and not tiki, I would even make a separated table and copy&paste code 😊
18:15 UTC : batatata I has hired to develop this wikifarm integrated with a 3D graph navigator, that's already being developed by another guy
18:16 UTC : batatata And today I convinced them to use tiki 😊
18:16 UTC : mose oh yes I heard about this
18:16 UTC : mose sounds funny
18:16 UTC : batatata yeah, I hope it get's like I imagine, will be cool
18:16 UTC : mose 3d file management is an old dream, many tried something
18:17 UTC : batatata Maybe we'll have to wait for more processing and libs, we're getting ther
18:18 UTC : batatata well, if we have attachments to wiki, you can have 3D file management by organizing your files in graph instead of a tree. A new concept! 😊
18:18 UTC : mose not very new, but a new usage 😊
18:18 UTC : mose for a broader range of users
18:19 UTC : mose I know some p�ople that already use such tings in some research labs
18:19 UTC : mose but mainly because they have money and time
18:19 UTC : mose and taste for fun
18:19 UTC : batatata yeah 😊. a new concept of organizing your files, I mean. imagine if you have all your system files in graph instead of tree. no directories, cool 😊
18:19 UTC : mose you know umap and knowledge trees ?
18:20 UTC : mose that's patented but interesting
18:20 UTC : batatata I've read a bit of a knowledge base, but I forogot the name, I'll remember in minutes
18:20 UTC : batatata Ahn, you say Levy's knowledge trees?
18:21 UTC : batatata my mom is official reseller where she lives 😊
18:22 UTC : mose http://www.trivium.fr/us/index.htm
18:22 UTC : batatata and the client of this wiki thing has worked direct with pierre levy in this project
18:22 UTC : Joined melmut (~hjds@pc-sanzot.auto.ucl.ac.be)
18:22 UTC : mose but it's an exepensive shit I have to say
18:22 UTC : mose it's like thievery
18:22 UTC : mose it should be free
18:23 UTC : batatata Yes, very expensive. my mom doesn't sell much because of that, I think she's not working much more on that
18:23 UTC : mose I know a reseller too
18:23 UTC : mose surprising that it's also an aged woman
18:23 UTC : mose but it can't be your mother
18:23 UTC : batatata and the worse part is that the creators are free software believers, but they work for someone who is not
18:28 UTC : mose batatata : for your information I planned to add a param in wiki for 1.9 if I had time, so there can be multiwiki
18:28 UTC : mose but my goal was for translation system
18:28 UTC : mose and make multi-wiki be possible transversal and linked as in virtual planes
18:28 UTC : mose but if you get the topic in mind and fingers, I can just help you
19:30 UTC : terris2_ anyone care to chat about wiki organization ?
19:32 UTC : skullaria organization?
19:32 UTC : batatata cares, whatever you mean by that 😊
19:32 UTC : Eilorux about organizing pages into "conceptual folders"?
19:33 UTC : terris2_ eilorux, sounds like my idea too .
19:33 UTC : mose sounds like a redundant topic
19:33 UTC : Eilorux That would be a dream vs. multi-wiki
19:33 UTC : terris2_ It would be nice to have separate namespaces in the wiki.
19:33 UTC : batatata some wikis do that
19:33 UTC : mose batatata was talking about it some hours ago
19:33 UTC : skullaria what is a wiki?
19:33 UTC : mose a cloud
19:33 UTC : terris2_ OK. I'll look in the logs.
19:34 UTC : terris2_ I have a huge wiki now and categories aren't working very well.
19:34 UTC : batatata they're different things though 😊
19:34 UTC : mose you can see direct logs there is a trick
19:34 UTC : terris2_ Tiki Wiki uses an interesting naming convention.
19:34 UTC : mose at irc.tikiwiki.org put --1000 in the input box
19:34 UTC : terris2_ but even tw.o ran into name issues and created doc.tw.o, or so that is my interpretation anyway.
19:35 UTC : terris2_ i have structures and categories to choose from, or making table of contents pages to find stuff in the cloud.
19:35 UTC : terris2_ sounds like a wiki page 😊
19:35 UTC : terris2_ thanks mose
19:35 UTC : Eilorux Terris2... like a help folder full of related help wiki pages.
19:35 UTC : mose (but first, find the input box 😉
19:35 UTC : mose (it's sortof hidden)
19:36 UTC : Eilorux Not sitting next to non-help collaborative pages
19:36 UTC : terris2_ wikis quickly die of heat death unless you know what you're doing
19:36 UTC : terris2_ you can create a wiki page that links to other wiki pages... it's kind of like a category on one page.