Features / Usability

Posted by George Greene 06 Sep 2011 15:52 GMT-0000 posts: 257

OK, I've been working on this so the example above won't show what I noted. Wiki still will not make a link on the referring page. Essentially I'm manually putting in the link.

As long as the new page has some text on it and has been saved then I can go back to the referring page and delete the question mark and put double parentheses around the link and it works.

Sometimes the question mark doesn't want to quite delete (I notice my double parentheses where the ? was turn blue like a link) so I just make sure they're black and save.

Wish Tiki would go back to doing this for me!

Posted by SysAdmin of bbash.de 30 Sep 2011 11:48 GMT-0000 posts: 25

Hi Unclegeo,

does this happen with links contained in *newly* created wiki pages (that is, with their Version 1)?

Or do you also observe this behaviour with links placed in later versions of a wiki page?

I'm asking because we make heavy use of the semantic link feature and noted that semantic links are not properly treated in *newly* created wiki pages.

(That is, semantic links don't show up in the semantic link admin panel when they're already placed in Version 1 of a wiki page. If they're added later, the feature runs fine.)

Take care,
– jp

Posted by George Greene 30 Sep 2011 19:19 GMT-0000 posts: 257

JP, thanks for the reply!

Yes. On newly created pages.

If I edit the pages (i.e., get them to V2 or farther) the links sometimes update but not always.

Also, even on new pages -say I create 10 links to new pages one after another on the referring page, they'll initially be missing the link after I save the referring page but then I come back in and hour and reload and maybe half will now have links -but it's not consistent -sometimes I get nada.

And might I ask you for a quick explanation of what Semantic Links are and how I might use them? I don't quite get it and I'd be much obliged for a brain nudge.

Posted by SysAdmin of bbash.de 01 Oct 2011 01:37 GMT-0000 posts: 25

Hi Unclegeo,

regarding the inconsistent behavior when creating the usual Wiki-links, you should check if emptying the TikiCache leads to more predictable results.

You'll find the TikiCache admin panel by calling tiki-admin_system.php (append this to your installation's URL).

Click the waste baskets to empty the respective cache.

If this causes the disregarded links to be properly updated afterwards, then we at least know that something is wrong here (though knowing so alone will of course not solve the problem in itself).

Which Tiki version do you use, btw? –

Regarding semantic links, pls. see

• http://doc.tiki.org/Semantic

Semantic links let you define the precise meaning (= semantic) of links between two pages. That is, you not only indicate »Those two pages are somehow related« like you would do with a usual link, but you would state that (for example)

• Dodo –––is-a–––) Bird
  • Reverse: Dodo (–––has-instance––– Bird

or

• Foo Inc. –––owns-shares-of–––) Bar Ltd.
  • Reverse: Foo Inc. (–––owned-by––– Bar Ltd.

or

• Peter –––has-daughter–––) Mary
  • Reverse: Peter (–––has-parent––– Mary

or

• OR –––abreviates–––) Oregon
  • Reverse: OR (–––abreviated––– Oregon

Another way to conceive of semantic links is to imagine them as being »typed links«.

One of Tiki's modules presents the semantic links contained in the wiki page currently displayed (in addition to them being displayed like usual links in the page's running text).

We use this module, naming it »Kurzinfo« (german for »quick info«, or »short info«).

But if me manage to export the semantic links from Tiki or the database,

• https://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?comments_parentId=42381&topics_offset=1

then we could easily use GraphViz,

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphviz

to visualize the semantic link data as a graphical semantic network like in this article:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_network

Nice, right? =;-)

Take care,
– jp

Posted by SysAdmin of bbash.de 05 Oct 2011 20:31 GMT-0000 posts: 25

Hi Unclegeo,

can I ask you again which version of Tiki you are using?

Have you filed a bug report yet??

Reason I'm asking is that I was able to reproduce the issue you described with Tiki 7.2 (the current release of Tiki). More precisly, the same issue that you encounter with the usual links also happens with semantic links.

Thx,
– jp

Posted by George Greene 05 Oct 2011 21:27 GMT-0000 posts: 257

BBrash, you are awesome. Thanks. I'll go looking at the Semantic links info and learn!

It looks like all the links are working now! I'll watch as we create more pages. Another recent funky-thang is that occasionally some of the buttons don't work (save, upload, etc.). This seems to have cleared up in the last coupla weeks. Don't know why.

I'm using Tiki 7.1 (Elecktra!). I'll probably upgrade to 7.2 when Simple Scripts in my Blue Host control panel lets me.

If these clues are of any help: I've had issues upgrading almost every time I've upgraded from 4.5 onwards (I've been using Tiki since V 1.2). It seems to be a problem with the Simple scripts installer at the server that keeps it's own file of what version you have. No matter what the Blue Host guys do for me, the next time I upgrade, Simple Scripts tells me it can't upgrade because I'm back at V4.5 -I call BH and we make it OK again.

I've also had issues where I'd upgrade and it would tell me I needed to upgrade the database, I would, it would say it couldn't update this or that value in a table and after a few more tries it stopped bugging me and things worked.