Nelson (koth): Hi luci
luciash d' being (luci): hi Nelson !
Xavi (xavi): polom
luciash d' being (luci): hola
Nelson (koth): Hello
luciash d' being (luci): heard your deep breath ;-)
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): hi all
Nelson (koth): ok, are we good to start?
Marc Laporte (marclaporte): polom
Marc Laporte (marclaporte): issue with my audio, will be back
Arild Berg (arild): hi
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): hi
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): Hi
Nelson (koth): http://tiki.org/TikiFestDevOps
Nelson (koth): This will be in August
Xavi (xavi): ok
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): August 2014, St. Augustin / Bonn, GermanyOpenSym 2014 27th to 29th August 2014, Berlin, Germany http://www.opensym.org (external link) http://www.openrheinruhr.de/ (external link) OpenRheinRuhr 2014 November 2013, Oberhausen (Rhineland), Germany
luciash d' being (luci): where ?
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): about who Nelson is talking ?
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): (sorry sound not great)
Nelson (koth): In April, there will be a Tiki 13 tikifest
Nelson (koth): this will be in Toronto
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): Oh great !
luciash d' being (luci): about a TikiFest in Toronto
Nelson (koth): In August, there will be a TikifestSysAdmins in Germany just before FROSCON
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): Nelson we type you keep talking :D
Xavi (xavi): +1 :-)
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): +1 :)
luciash d' being (luci): I will probably not be able to attend as I am planning one myself in Czech Republic for beggining of July
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): :)
Xavi (xavi): ok, thks for the info
luciash d' being (luci): haven’t seen any wiki page about it yet
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): +1
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): I will be at Jiamcatt which happens in Strasbourg from april 24-
luciash d' being (luci): ok
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): will need to check
patrick.proulx: Works for me
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): 20th april?
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): so will Olaf-Michael
Nelson (koth): yes JOnny 20 April approx
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): :)
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): :0
Xavi (xavi): yep, me too
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): which is the number of the last released tiki12 ?
Xavi (xavi): +1 Bernard
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): 12.0 is current
luciash d' being (luci): /me confused: are we talking about TikiFests still or release 12.1 ?
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): ok
Nelson (koth): release 12.1 now
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): +1
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): we need to warn that there are still editor blockers
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): (beta?)
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): I meant mention them on the release notes
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): you can even practice first with 11.x
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): can we decide on a date ?
Xavi (xavi): I can't on Tuesday. Only Monday
Xavi (xavi): Or wednesday, thursday, etc
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): i can in both
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): I got the feeling that xavi would not be available on any afternoon
luciash d' being (luci): +1 for monday
luciash d' being (luci): sorry Marc ?
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): can't understand audio
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): it's a single svn admin command
luciash d' being (luci): jean marc too low audio
luciash d' being (luci): admin access ?
Nelson (koth): Can we start at 0900 UTC?
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): which server?
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): community server
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): +1 to have several person that have the knowledge
Nelson (koth): I think the changelog will not be too long for a 12.1 becasue it's generated from the 12.x branch
Nelson (koth): as for the copyright
Nelson (koth): let's just do it Monday morning ok?
luciash d' being (luci): ok
Marc Laporte (marclaporte): Sorry, I had audio problem. Is there a plan to finish the things from https://dev.tiki.org/Tiki12 ?
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): when is that ?
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): really?
Nelson (koth): 0900 UTC Monday
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): early monday morning's not my favourite volunteering time ;)
Nelson (koth): wht time is possible earliest monday?
luciash d' being (luci): Marc: seems too many, i do not think so
Xavi (xavi): any
luciash d' being (luci): I wake up 8:00 UTC :)
Nelson (koth): 1100 UTC?
Nelson (koth): ok 1100 UTC
luciash d' being (luci): When is the 10 o clock meeting ?
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): :D
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): 11utc is what? 13 london time?
Marc Laporte (marclaporte): luci: That list has been there for months, so it should not be a surprise
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): monday 24 march 11utc is that correct ? (poor audio today)
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): :D
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): London === UTC
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): brb
Xavi (xavi): yes, we can
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): yes
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): discuss what ?
Xavi (xavi): http://dev.tiki.org/New+Defaults
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): Marc you mean : https://dev.tiki.org/Tiki12#Checklist ?
Marc Laporte (marclaporte): Yes, Bernard
Marc Laporte (marclaporte): Nelson & Olaf have stuff to do
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): let wait after Xavi explanation and try to see how we can progress on that.
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): let's
Marc Laporte (marclaporte): Because those are things we said we can live without for 12.0, but that were supposed to be done for 12.1
luciash d' being (luci): my votes are there ;-)
Xavi (xavi): :-)
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): Plugins convene, wysiwyg, tracker calendar
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): may be you should separate
luciash d' being (luci): yay! https links work now in BBB! :)
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): voted
Marc Laporte (marclaporte): Related page: http://dev.tiki.org/Simpler+config+on+Fresh+install
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): +1
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): +1 Xavi :)
luciash d' being (luci): just for u
luciash d' being (luci): u must lock
luciash d' being (luci): yes, it worked
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): woo
luciash d' being (luci): defaults for 12 or 13 ?
luciash d' being (luci): ah 13
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): Hello Torsten here ... I am back from hospital since a few hours and back from the doctor since a few minutes ... I restart my computer, connecting headset and come back here .. brb
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): Hey Torsten hope you fell better !
luciash d' being (luci): Q: should we switch in defaults from jQuery-UI flick theme to "None" since I added the matching jQuery-UI styles to Fivealive in 12 ?
luciash d' being (luci): wb Torsten ! great !
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): soon, Xavi, soon ! :)
luciash d' being (luci): great job, xavi ! only thing i don’t like is the mixup of the icons ;-)
luciash d' being (luci): :D
Nelson (koth): I really like all this too, the only suggestion I have is to instead of having "useful profiles 1-2-3" "demo profile 1-2-3" to have the different pages to have more descriptive names, like, menu enhancements, or feature prototypes
luciash d' being (luci): +1 Nelson
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): yes let's wait for Xavi to finish then lets talk :D
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): :)
luciash d' being (luci): /me shuts up and forgets everything he wanted to point out or ask :)
Marc Laporte (marclaporte): I will be back on the phone
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): K
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): /me applauds
Xavi (xavi): thks
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Great work \o/
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): GREAT WORK
Xavi (xavi): re: http://dev.tiki.org/Profiles+Wizard
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): hello everybody
luciash d' being (luci): i think it would help a lot if there were screenshots before applying the profile
luciash d' being (luci): to get an idea what the user gets by applying the profile
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): +1 for screenies
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): +1
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): i like the layout - few per page, makes it look like a brochure
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): would be better with more pictures
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): you are too loud...
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): :0
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): Xavi you are too close to your Mic
luciash d' being (luci): isnßt the Server Fitness too late when Tiki already installed ?
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): /me thinks Xavi is excited about profiles
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): thanks
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): :)
luciash d' being (luci): /me is excited too :)
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): +1 better
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): totally agree great work...
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): the idea to have better name is to have less explanation about what it does
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): I'll be glad to help ! (i have very good hebrew name)
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Please post this page's url
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): http://demo.tiki.org/showcases_and_experiments/wysiwyg-wiki-trunk/tiki-wizard_admin.php?&stepNr=3&url=tiki-admin.php&use-default-prefs=1
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): Shopping Cart was called TikiKart for several years - kept everyone away! (except Arild and Xavi eventually ;)
luciash d' being (luci): what, u have not tried the TikiKart racing yet ?
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): :)
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): i always tell my users thay are "macros"
luciash d' being (luci): I did not read that yet, tru
luciash d' being (luci): too long :)
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): +1
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): maybe we need a new video?
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): macros is very much what they do
Nelson (koth): I think going forward, maybe Tiki 14, we might want to discuss calling profiles "configuration templates" or something.... Might be worth the effort
Xavi (xavi): I agree Nelson
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): after 12.1 right?
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): again clap clap clap !
luciash d' being (luci): i tell them "preconfigurations"
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): We should simply check how "the others" name it and improve :)
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): those screen are KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) I like it :)
luciash d' being (luci): i fear the others call them everything but not the same every time
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): for sure ! That's why i say "we improve" not copy
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Some call them themes :) but it's not the same
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): no no :)
luciash d' being (luci): who decides what extra fields should be there by default ?
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): ? Xavi this is not for users right ? (user wizard ?)
luciash d' being (luci): yes, user wizard is for users
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): what we see is for sers ?
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): group setting ?
Nelson (koth): Bernard, the user wizard is for users to fill in info abt themselves. As shown now, what fields are shown fromthe user tracker is defined in the admin...groups page
luciash d' being (luci): only the first screen
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): ah ! :D
luciash d' being (luci): these are for admins how to set it up i think
Nelson (koth): yes, xavi is showing the admin setup steps
luciash d' being (luci): by default you see the same without the extra fields ? (SkypeID, etc.)
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): any new tiki admin should watch this recording, well done & thanks again Xavi! :)
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): one thought - does the "User Details" step take it's name from the tracker? (would be possible ;)
luciash d' being (luci): it is by default showing for first login, right ?
Arild Berg (arild): thanks Xavi :-)
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): +1, yay for Arild!
Arild Berg (arild): The updates look great!
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): really gret improvement tks you both
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): thx!!
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): just to say: I have news for the TikiFestDevOps / TikiFestGermany2014
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): I like it also
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): when this fits to the schedule, just say
Xavi (xavi): jonnyb: not right now, but please feel free to improve that way to create the "User Details"
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): will do (when next in trunk)
Xavi (xavi): http://mother.tiki.org
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): who is 5148300000 ? Marc ?
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): xavi: PHP 5.5 is required
luciash d' being (luci): PHP 5.5 is required
luciash d' being (luci): yep
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): I have 5.5, same Leu has
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): what is mother for?
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): +1 upgrade
Xavi (xavi): Torsten: mother: http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki+Connect?structure=Tiki+Reference+Guide
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): thx xavi
Xavi (xavi): np
Xavi (xavi): & http://doc.tiki.org/Connect+Settings
Xavi (xavi): and more things to be documented
Xavi (xavi): :-D
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): data should be separate enough, but still should stay on trunk imho
Xavi (xavi): ok, I'm fine with trunk for mother.tiki.org
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): by the way, i called it "mother" becasue Big Mother is watching;)
Xavi (xavi): thks Marc!
Xavi (xavi): Big Watcher! :-)
Xavi (xavi): ok, thanks Nelson for a demo on those new features
luciash d' being (luci): Jonny: lol
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): I see it
luciash d' being (luci): no, we still see the previous layout
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): nope, i still see Xavi's

Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): it's a Mac
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): :-D
Xavi (xavi): :-)
luciash d' being (luci): no
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): no show
patrick.proulx: nope
Xavi (xavi): no
Tom Jarvis (TomJarvis): no
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): I see xavi's still
luciash d' being (luci): Torsten, can u change to the layout you have ?
luciash d' being (luci): lock the icon again
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): Nelson, are you on bbb or what you show?
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): closed screensharing now?
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): what ?
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): /me wonders when we do a community testing of jitsi
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): localhost/trunk/tiki-index.php
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): turn it off, turn it on again?
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): must be Nelsons screen
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): Nelson: a what?
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): lYESSS
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): I do not know
luciash d' being (luci): lol
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): you share and it pops up in my bbb
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): no IN BBB
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): yes!
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): /me sees nothing
luciash d' being (luci): not here... no pop-ups here
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): Torsten - you don't see "User Wizard Completed!"?
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): brb
patrick.proulx: Do you guys still see User Wizard Completed?
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): I have an old kubuntu and i see nothing :(
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): I see Nelson playing around
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): screen sharing gone
Xavi (xavi): Me: New Xubuntu and see nothing
patrick.proulx: I logged out and logged in and was able to see Nelson's screen
patrick.proulx: (but he stopped sharing)
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): no :(
Xavi (xavi): nope yet
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): I see user wizard complete or a grey screen
patrick.proulx: i see it
Bernard Sfez (Bsfez): in and out
Xavi (xavi): I'l try loging out and in again
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): Bernard: close your presentation window
patrick.proulx: try logging in/out - worked for me
Xavi (xavi): yep, there it is
Xavi (xavi): in & out worked for me
luciash d' being (luci): now i see it too
luciash d' being (luci): what is it about ?
luciash d' being (luci): new notification system ?
patrick.proulx: ya, notifications
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): ok, I see it
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): nelson: are that global or user notifications?
luciash d' being (luci): i suggest u do not talk while moving the screen (while the sccreen updates)
luciash d' being (luci): i cannot hear what u say
luciash d' being (luci): it looks great though !
anonymous: in & out worked for me too
anonymous: What ??? I'm anonymous now (Bernard)
luciash d' being (luci): Bernard joined Anonymous
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): bernard .. logged out in Tiki when logged back in?
anonymous: yes
anonymous: not important...
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): so out, tiki in and rejoin
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): if you want
anonymous: being anonymous is respectable :)
anonymous: ha ha ha Luciash !!! Sound like an horror movie
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): it's your data Bernard .. you have the right to be anobymous
luciash d' being (luci): :D
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): /s/b/n
luciash d' being (luci): Bernard: not a gremlin ? better then ;-)
luciash d' being (luci): I have no idea what is Nelson doing
anonymous: I was a long time a Gremlin chief ! (white hair line only in the middle of my head !) all natural :D
luciash d' being (luci): ah
luciash d' being (luci): why is it called Query and not Save Search ? :D
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): :)
luciash d' being (luci): very neat anyway
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): brilliant! (but might not "urgent" be better than critical?)
Xavi (xavi): yep
luciash d' being (luci): would it be possible to "save my search query" to list later what i searched for ?
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): which features are covered so far?
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Watches are tuned to each feature
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Not to mention group watches and such
Xavi (xavi): Re: http://doc.tiki.org/Watch#Types_of_watches
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): really good though, definite good reason to go for tiki 13
Xavi (xavi): yep, congrats Nelson (and LPH :-)
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): yes, really something I'd want to use
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): we would need kind of a list of tiki events
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): like a tiki event glossary
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Like a tab in the help pop-up ?
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): and autocomplete :)
Xavi (xavi): Congratulations also Nelson (& LP) for this other feature
Xavi (xavi): Are the credits linked to the Tiki User Credit Feature?
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): A bit like the plugins selection maybe
Xavi (xavi): ok
anonymous: sry i had other task to complete in the middle but that look great !
Xavi (xavi): yep, great work, Nelson
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): awesome
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): Nelson: image for a badge?
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): like a grafical medal?
anonymous: VIP status
luciash d' being (luci): Theme: Fivealive does not look like Fivealive anymore ;-)
anonymous: a crown :D
luciash d' being (luci): great feature !
luciash d' being (luci): thx Nelson and LPH
luciash d' being (luci): == achievements
luciash d' being (luci): should be option
luciash d' being (luci): to let other people know
luciash d' being (luci): as usual
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): /me aplauds again (good webinar Nelson, thanks :)
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): needs to appear on user info popup, no?
Xavi (xavi): ok, thanks guys. I must leave now. See you
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): very cool
luciash d' being (luci): bye Xavi
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): bye xavi
anonymous: :)
anonymous: bye
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): Nelson: when TikiFestDevOps?
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): yes, I have some info
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): sorry what?
luciash d' being (luci): tell us !
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): sound
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): tell us!
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): jut tell us now :)
luciash d' being (luci): tell us until everybody leaves ! :D
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): OMG :(
luciash d' being (luci): u need security setup in java first
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): I see nothing and I wonder about your definition of «easier»
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): http://alienus.de/basecamp1/en/room/night-sleeper-outdoor-hostel/
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): \o/ (been there already)
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): http://www.basecamp-bonn.com/
luciash d' being (luci): look kewl! :)
luciash d' being (luci): s/look/looks/
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): http://photos.jmlibs.name/tiki-list_file_gallery.php?view=browse&galleryId=99
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): http://netzladen.org/
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=BaseCamp+Hostel+Bonn,+In+der+Raste+1,+53129,+Bonn,+Deutschland&daddr=Breite+Stra%C3%9Fe+74,+53111,+Bonn,+Deutschland+to:Hochschule+Bonn-Rhein-Sieg,+Grantham-Allee+20,+53757,+Sankt+Augustin,+Deutschland&hl=de&ie=UTF8&ll=50.737107,7.234497&spn=0.122112,0.242386&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=36.642161,62.050781&geocode=FX-8BQMdTLNsACFLTeYQF1V1qCnzaBHQ4OO-RzFLTeYQF1V1qA%3BFbw5BgMd1khsACkdNqIOpOG-RzHOpxXIQYmiGQ%3BFRvWBgMdNJltACF1DBIsZMTEzSmL8QY5Ree-RzF1DBIsZMTEzQ&oq=Hochschule+Bonn-Rhein-Sieg+Grantham-Allee+20+53757+Sankt+Augustin&mra=ls&t=m&z=12
Nelson (koth): is this place close enough ot the basecamp?
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): not really
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): It was fast as we were discussing
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): http://www.froscon.de/en/home/
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): sorry, i have to go - glad to hear you Torsten (out and about), catch up soon! :)
Nelson (koth): sounds good
Nelson (koth): alrighty jonny
luciash d' being (luci): c u jonny
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): bye jonny
anonymous: nice
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): sounds fine
patrick.proulx: thanks a lot guys :)
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): bye everybody
anonymous: bye bye !
luciash d' being (luci): bye !
Tom Jarvis (TomJarvis): Bye
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): 23rd
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): strasbourg
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): france
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): ex-germany
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): :-P
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): just kidding
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): bye all
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): bye